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exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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So after abusing this bullshit for more than a decade to bully companies. How gracious and generous of them. Oh btw, Satya is the CEO for 5 years.

Stop shitting on them. We won the war. They’re mending their ways. It takes a long time to right such a large ship with levels upon levels of bureaucratic bullshit that’s been caked on for decades.

It’s a WIP and they just granted a patent license to the OIN for fuck’s sake. Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#72
post #60
post #57

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What defines a "Linux-based system"? Does Android count? Would VMWare's VSphere ESXi hypervisor count? Would a unikernel running on a pared-down Linux rump-kernel (if such a thing were made) count?

According to http://en.swpat.org/wiki/GPLv2_and_patents , GPLv2 includes an implicit patent grant So my guess would be that the definition of "derivative work" would apply.

That's super duper grey area, which is why GPLv3 went out of it's way to have an explicit patent grant.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#73
post #33

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine. Everything else is marketing. Edit: to expand, the corporate world runs on Excel/PowerPoint/Outlook. Microsoft milks them on Windows/Office licensing and is very aggressive against organizations that try to do Linux deployments. They're a convicted monopolist that got away easily when at some point the option on the ta…

Pretty sure porting SQL Server to Linux was more than marketing.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#75
post #38
post #34

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This seems oddly specific and arbitrary. What if the engineering effort in porting it over is not economically viable?

Given the direction they're going with the web versions of Office 365, it's entirely possible that the future involves them deciding porting stuff to the Windows version is not economically viable and relegate the native apps to legacy support like IE.

I've been 100% Office 365 web apps on Linux Chromium since around February. So far, I haven't hit a situation that has required spinning up my Windows 10 VM.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#76
post #33

I'll believe Microsoft loves Linux when I can install Microsoft Office in my desktop Linux machine. Everything else is marketing. Edit: to expand, the corporate world runs on Excel/PowerPoint/Outlook. Microsoft milks them on Windows/Office licensing and is very aggressive against organizations that try to do Linux deployments. They're a convicted monopolist that got away easily when at some point the option on the ta…

they ported SQL Server but I doubt they would ever port Office. It would make more sense to use your browser to access online Office.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#77
post #53

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For the 99% of people reading who don't know the kernel as well as you (seriously) can you explain why this is the case? Does a userspace filesystem driver lose a lot of performance to context switching, or is there something unique to filesystems that slows them down in user space?

> Does a userspace filesystem loose a lot of performance... Yes. Try the two versions out, and see for yourself if you are curious.

I use a FUSE filesystem on linux- not ExFAT, but as an S3 interface. I often see 1+Gigabyte/sec throughput over the wire from simple multithreaded IO operations. FUSE can be very fast.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#78
post #70

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NTFS-3g is pretty good and support on Linux is definitely a lot better than it used to be. Still, official (or officially supported/documented) support would be really nice. Honestly I hope even Windows abandons NTFS soon. It's the worst part of using Windows. e.g. Try and develop any Node project on Windows and it's painful - takes literally minutes to delete the node_modules folder whereas on Linux/Mac it takes sec…

On the other side, file ACLs in NTFS are way more powerful than the Linux owner-group-world model.

That's true. But NTFS could also improve rather than simply adopting Linux's filesystems. Heck they could improve it then Open Source the new thing.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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That’s great but there’s nothing benevolent in their intentions. I don’t mean that as a slight, they’re the same as any other corporation - driven by profit and growth, not benevolence.

The difference is Microsoft sells and licenses products to help customers with real needs. Google's customers are all about dark marketing.

Windows Home is to Microsoft, as Chrome is to Google.

Microsoft hasn't charged consumers for upgrades to Windows for years - and surely that is because they expect to profit from advertising.

The same can pretty much be said for Windows Pro and small businesses. Why is there no subscription to Windows? Why can't I pay to get 3 more years of security fixes for Windows 7 however an enterprise can?

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#80
post #12
post #4

The big deal here is the patent grant. FAT related patents were held over linux like a gun in the Ballmer years. Its a reason Linux was stuck with 8.3 length filenames for so long.

Aren't the FAT patents about to expire anyway?

The original ones from the MSDOS days should have long expired. The one with VFAT/FAT32 from the Windows 95 era should have expired a few years back. I think exFAT is probably the last one remaining.
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