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Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by Johnny555 »

RandomBacon wrote: post #40
Johnny555 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took great pains to mount my cameras so they only see my front porch or someone walking up my sidewalk, all they see of anyone else is their shins/feet walking by on the common area sidewalk. Then the HOA said I can't mount cameras outside due to "privacy concerns", a Ring doorbell is the only approved camera. So now my Ring doorbell captures a full video of everyone walking by my unit.

Are there any rules against having more than one "doorbell"? Do the rules say where the "doorbells" must be located or if they must be accessible by visitors? (Also, if there wasn't a rule against your cameras when you put them up, then you should talk to a lawyer.)

then you should talk to a lawyer

I have a Ring now, which suits my needs to capture anyone stealing packages. I tried to do the right thing by positioning the camera to only capture my property, but oh well, I guess that's not my (or the HOA's) concern.

I have no interest in paying money for a lawyer to argue against the HOA (alienating myself from the HOA board), plus any legal costs that I cause for the HOA is also a cost to me.

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Post by rdtwo »

rchaud wrote: post #62
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

With previous generations of home security systems, the recordings were stored in an on-premises hard drive. Ring doesn't give you that option, all video is stored on their cloud, "for the customer's convenience" of course. The result of that is the random citizens won't have much leverage to say no, because the police can likely figure out a way to get the video from Ring directly.

The same is true if you don’t run your own local email server and use gmail.

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Post by RandomBacon »

Johnny555 wrote: post #121
RandomBacon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any rules against having more than one "doorbell"? Do the rules say where the "doorbells" must be located or if they must be accessible by visitors? (Also, if there wasn't a rule against your cameras when you put them up, then you should talk to a lawyer.)

then you should talk to a lawyer I have a Ring now, which suits my needs to capture anyone stealing packages. I tried to do the right thing by positioning the camera to only capture my property, but oh well, I guess that's not my (or the HOA's) concern. I have no interest in paying money for a lawyer to argue against the HOA (alienating myself from the HOA board), plus any legal costs that I cause for the HOA is also…

True. You don't always have to talk to a lawyer, this could be something that a person fights themselves. But I think HOAs are something people should not let trample over them.

Hopefully people become friends with their neighbors before something like this happens so it's not homeowner vs neighbors, but instead homeowner vs overreaching entity. Get your friends/neighbors to see that the HOA is wasting their money on such a petty, overreaching thing. Better yet, get yourself and your friends/neighbors on the HOA board to prevent this kind of stuff.

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Post by wolco »

solotronics wrote: post #61
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

If it was a family member of yours that was murdered wouldn't you want someone to help catch the person who did it?

Just to extend the discussion.

What does a murdered family member entitle you to? Should all homes be able to be searched in America because someone was murdered and the crime not solved? Should all other rights disappear in the hunt for your family member.

There has to be limits to the extremes.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by rdtwo »

mrbonner wrote: post #56

My city’s police department is actually very transparent about this. They have a campaign on social media and snail mail to inform citizen to sign up for the use of outside cameras to assist law enforcement in case they need footages for a crime in an area covered by your cameras. Once they determine that your camera footages could help they would send you a request to share the videos with them for investigation. I…

Bet they don’t tell you that if your footage turns out to be useful you might end up tied up in the legal system for weeks and missing work and income

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Post by diogenescynic »

5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

That seems like an incredibly selfish reaction. You're mad that you had to provide testimony about a neighbor's murder? How would you feel if your neighbors were complaining about helping with your murder investigation? And I say this as someone who recently had jury duty and watched dozens of people make fools of themselves because they simply didn't want to participate in their civil duty. This is what makes/breaks a society.

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Post by antihero »

5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

I mean at least you haven't been murdered.

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Post by malandrew »

ghaff wrote: post #106
ixtli wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we shouldn't construct a society where your obligations to your employer are at odds with you helping society find justice for a murder victim. This is a great example of how atomized our society has become.

I'm honestly not sure what that means. Many large companies tend to be pretty flexible with respect to things like jury duty. But, to say that even a small business needs to keep paying full salary for someone who is out for weeks or longer (and even if they have to hire a temporary replacement) is probably not realistic. Per diems for things like jury duty should arguably be higher. But there's no world in which, sa…

What they should do is allow the business to deduct that employee's salary from the taxes they owe while that employee is fulfilling a public need.

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Post by ryanlol »

paublyrne wrote: post #27
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

At the risk of being glib, your headache and frustrations seem trivial in the context of the crime you're mentioning.

At the risk of being glib, I don’t think much can be done about the crime at this point.
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