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Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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post #84
post #53

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In today's private free-market Stasi, you'd be lucky if a group of 12 people has two or three who are not informants.

Your hyperbole really undercuts your (reasonable) argument.

Absolutely nothing hyperbole about it. You haven't been paying attention if you think it is.

Our phones have numerous parties (besides the telcos) all slurping up their own version of data about our lives. We have 0 ability to opt out of any of it. Retorting with "just don't use a mobile phone" is fine, but it's also not practical. Why should we be subject to all this surveillance?

Go ahead and continue to downvote me, you fucking corporate shills. The truth hurts, I know.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#93

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It can. He should be able to invoice the DA for his time. The taxpayers (society) foots the bill.

As someone who just served Jury Duty in the USA. I can tell you the 'bill' for my services was barely minimum wage.

Last time I got called for jury duty (but didn't get chosen), I forget what the per diem rate was but basically it wouldn't have covered parking (or at least not by much).

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#94
post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

After providing the footage, if they tried to get me to take 3 unpaid weeks off work, I would tell them to kick rocks. If they want me to help them with their case at the expense of my job they need to compensate me for lost income.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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It can. He should be able to invoice the DA for his time. The taxpayers (society) foots the bill.

As someone who just served Jury Duty in the USA. I can tell you the 'bill' for my services was barely minimum wage.

Fortunately it's incredibly easy to get eliminated during the selection process if you know how to answer the questions

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#96
post #29

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The police via Red Flag laws which are incredibly easy to abuse.

The police are using red flag laws to seize weapons because the 'private free-market Stasi' told them to? Red flag laws are mostly used to prevent suicides and domestic violence. They are formal proceedings and due process of law. If the problem is with the law, organize and change it.

> They are formal proceedings and due process of law.

A number of states involve no due-process prior to confiscation and require you to hire an attorney and file suit if your initial request for return of property are denied.

Having been "red flagged" by a vindictive ex, and in a "Red State" too boot, this is no joke.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#97
post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

After providing the footage, if they tried to get me to take 3 unpaid weeks off work, I would tell them to kick rocks. If they want me to help them with their case at the expense of my job they need to compensate me for lost income.

In which case, you would probably be found in contempt of court and fined or arrested if a judge wanted to push the point.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#98
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This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

With previous generations of home security systems, the recordings were stored in an on-premises hard drive. Ring doesn't give you that option, all video is stored on their cloud, "for the customer's convenience" of course. The result of that is the random citizens won't have much leverage to say no, because the police can likely figure out a way to get the video from Ring directly.

> because the police can likely figure out a way to get the video from Ring directly

That's quite the legal or technical assumption.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#99
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The headline neglects to mention that the system is opt in and per-incident, which I think is a critical detail. It's not like police have 24/7 involuntary access to everyone's video.

>It's not like police have 24/7 involuntary access to everyone's video. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this one since I started on the internet in '97. It's never true.

I'm as paranoid about IoT devices being abused as anyone, but can you point out more than 1 or 2 examples of "It's never true?"

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

#100
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At equal risk of being glib, I don't think the purchase of consumer electronics should put you on the hook for weeks of depositions for a crime you didn't personally witness. I believe that would the literal manifestation of "that's not what I signed up for". Here's the MP4 file, now go away.

What if you were a random witness? You didn't sign up for that either. You have certain civic obligations which are enforced by law. I assume in these types of cases, you could be held in contempt if you wouldn't respond voluntarily. It's unfortunate for the person involved and the incentives in the system are such that no one is trying to make efficient use of their time. But that's pretty much the way it is. It's n…

Maybe we shouldn't construct a society where your obligations to your employer are at odds with you helping society find justice for a murder victim. This is a great example of how atomized our society has become.
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