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Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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The level of greed, hubris and stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Levandowski was paid a bonus of $120 million while at Google, which is more money than any reasonable person will need for several lifetimes. This was actually a running joke at Google (while I was still there) to describe $120M as "1 Levadownski". Like Sundar one year was described as earning "only 1.7 Levadownskis" (he got paid $200M…

They gave him 120 million and he still left and stole. Smh thats just. Wow. What more did he want?

He's greedy, yeah, but also seems to possibly have no loyalty...

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Responding to the technical merits of a 12 point font: From what I remember as a high school yearbook editor, 12 point is standard text font size. (Yes, I know MS Word popularized 10 point.) Failing to specify a minimum legible font size would allow someone to print labels that were illegible thus defeating the purpose of disclosures, while maintaining technical compliance. It is an unreasonable expectation that peop…

>There is more evidence that police have ticket quotas than there is that bureaucrats have regulation quotas. Yes, it would not make sense that there are requirements to produce impacts that aren’t publicly noticeable, particularly when there are complaints of scarce resources. Regardless, people have bosses and work multiplies. Maybe no one has no idea what they are doing, but someone has to have some self reflectio…

> but someone has to have some self reflection that it is harmful.

I emphatically reject that notion, both from the perspective that that regulations and regulatory enforcement are intrinsically harmful, and from the perspective that self reflection of enforcers demoralizes them. Quite the contrary, people self deceive themselves all the time. No one ever the bad guy in their own story.

Sure. Maybe someone sometime gets fails to rationalize their actions for a while, and quit, but they are by far the exception, because if they weren't you'd have high turn over and an inability to recruit replacements. Then, even under those circumstances you'd eventually end up with self selected, self perpetuating group. That's just survivorship.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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>"Theft of trade secrets" is how Silicon Valley was built. And reverse engineering, for example - IBM PC compatible via Corona Data Systems, Eagle Computer and Handwell Corporation - VTech clones of the Apple II ROMs for the Laser 128

Reverse engineering is a) legal if done properly and b) not even possible here since Waymo's cars aren't for sale.

And the examples I gave went to court and, if I'm not mistaken, in both the companies were not allowed to continue to use their reverse engineered tech in their products.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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He was on the Berkeley team for the original DARPA Grand Challenge. Their team was notable for being a motorcycle while everyone else used a car, the complexity of using a motorcycle earned them big points with the higher-ups even though the bike didn't do very well on the course. So if you were a CEO looking to hire a senior guy for autonomous vehicles, he was one of the most senior in years of experience, pretty mu…

Sure, but once it becomes clear that he doesn't fit in the culture and causes more issues than he solves, why does he keep getting promoted and his pay increased?

I suggest that wasn't as clear as you think it was to the right people (either through incompetence, ignorance, or bad leadership), or that if they did have some idea that he wasn't a great fit they were hoping that he would produce a miracle that would make all the pain worth it.

Coming in with wunderkind status gives you a lot of leeway with some people, and things need to be pretty bad before the people that hired you will admit that they made a mistake, hired the wrong person, and paid them way too much. Admitting such a mistake does some damage to your ego and reputation of hiring problem solvers. Plus, by many accounts he was producing decent results- after all, he's led some pretty famous projects, and most of the projects weren't regarded as failures, so why should he be regarded as a failure? Other than stealing IP and being a dick, he's not usually called a loser or a failure.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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I've been fortunate to know good lawyers that have made my life easier, reduced the stress of dealing with hard situations. I've seen investors take chances on long shots that succeed, and wouldn't have had any hope without that investor help. I've had excellent managers (and some not so good) that championed my professional development and growth and took care of details that made it easier for me to focus on my cor…

You don't seem to have a very good understanding of the comment you're responding to. Your summary of it is incorrect.

Easy to say, but apparently harder to respond with any substance. Not unlike your unsupported claims of zero sum status to begin with-- stated but not supported by any decent argumentation.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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post #301

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Previously you dismissed law as zero sum, but here you appeal to it to bolster a part of your argument, thereby attributing value to it. Regardless of some of it's ugliness end excesses, if it's a system that can help steer a course through difficult situations regarding the rules of society then it is adding value.

I wasn't dismissing law as zero sum. Salary negotiation is zero-sum too; that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. But you shouldn't organize your career around it.

If it's worth doing, and in the case of Law necessary to a functioning society, then if you regard society as positive sum then things that are necessary for it to function are part of what makes it positive sum. You can't strip them away, they don't exist on their own, they are part of the system itself, they exist in a context, and discarding that context over simplifies to the point of the absurd. It's like saying sanitation is positive sum but one of things that is necessary to make it work, proper plumbing, is not positive sum. You can't strip off the necessary pieces of something like that and regard them as things in and of themselves.

Salary negotiation is an excellent example of your blinders in this. I suppose you see it as the employee gets X dollar, employer loses X dollars, so it must be zero-sum. That get's too hung up on the easily tangible piece of the transaction and ignores the more complex context in which the negotiations take place. In truth, both employee & employer get something out of it. Obviously the employee gets a better salary. The employer, by providing the employee with the things that help make them a satisfied worker, gets higher productivity than otherwise, and perhaps a higher guarantee that the employee will stick around. Both win. They are cooperating, literally part of what game theory, from where the entire concept of zero sum comes, regards as integral to many positive sum outcomes.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Would you please not post name-calling comments or personal attacks (like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20809349 and, worse, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20709280 ) to HN? We ban accounts that break the site guidelines like that. If you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post only in the intended spirit or not at all, we'd be grateful.

While obviously I don't agree with the comment you're responding to (cf. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20813149 ), I wanted to ask you if there's a way I could have phrased the comment it was responding to to be less inflammatory. I didn't anticipate that it would provoke such responses, and I wonder if there's a way to avoid it other than just silence.

You are asking Dan, but answering from the bleachers: I think it's mostly just the length. If you write a short and direct comment that people are likely to disagree with, you invite short, direct and disagreeable answers. If instead your 'meatier' response to 'psychometry' (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20813149) had been part of the original, I think the responses might have been higher quality as well. It's not that short and direct comments are inherently bad, just that as early responses they can set a tone that discourages productive conversation. In any case, I appreciate your opinions and would be disappointed if you revert to silence.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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Is levandowski actually exceptionally talented, such that one of him is worth 120-600 other employees? What has he actually accomplished? All I've read is that he built a self-driving motorcycle for the Grand Challenge, but IIRC his motorcycle made it about 25 feet before falling over.

talent != value created != compensation earned

Great, cool. Did he actually create value at Google or Uber, or is his primary skill just convincing Page and Kalanick to give him money?

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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You're right, of course, because it turned out SCO wasn't the owner of the relevant copyright.

True, but the bit about interfaces is also not comparable between the two. There wasn't a lot of commonality between openserver and IBM (RedHat) Linux. It's not like the libraries on one system would run on the other. SCO's seminal allegation was that code was copied between the two, but they never produced evidence. Likely, because there was none. The case was eventually dropped when it was determined SCO couldn't e…

Not quite. The case is still active (!) in the Federal court in Salt Lake City. The judge lifted the stay on the case on May 14, 2018. Since then, absolutely nothing has happened. But the case has not "gone away" so far as I can tell.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets

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"If you buy us, you'll also buy some Waymo code"

I figure it was just two bros figuring out how to funnel a tens of millions dollars into Levandoski’s pocket.

If I'm hearing this right, this is pretty much money laundering
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