"Theft of trade secrets" is how Silicon Valley was built. Fairchild was "theft of trade secrets" from Shockley; Intel was "theft of trade secrets" from Fairchild. When Camenzind left Signetics and designed the 555 (under contract to Signetics), he was "using trade secrets" of Signetics; in today's legal environment, they could have just ordered him to stick around as an employee and work on a less risky project. MOST…
Lawyers and investors provide pathways to the market that allow engineers to build things that have actual value. The idea that engineers like you and I hold all of the tools and training to "create wealth" is too dismissive of those professions.
Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets
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#252The level of greed, hubris and stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Levandowski was paid a bonus of $120 million while at Google, which is more money than any reasonable person will need for several lifetimes. This was actually a running joke at Google (while I was still there) to describe $120M as "1 Levadownski". Like Sundar one year was described as earning "only 1.7 Levadownskis" (he got paid $200M…
Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets
#253The level of greed, hubris and stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Levandowski was paid a bonus of $120 million while at Google, which is more money than any reasonable person will need for several lifetimes. This was actually a running joke at Google (while I was still there) to describe $120M as "1 Levadownski". Like Sundar one year was described as earning "only 1.7 Levadownskis" (he got paid $200M…
Perhaps he's innocent?
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So this movement toward resolving such conflicts in the courts, instead of by companies competing to out-innovate one another, is very troubling. A lot of the things you cite were actually fought out in the courts. Motorola sued MOS Technology [1]. AMD and Intel have been in constant legal battles since their inception. The complicated question of Unix ownership started the famous SCO-Linux litigation. This isn't a…
> The complicated question of Unix ownership started the famous SCO-Linux litigation. This isn't anything new. Just a bit correction there. SCO-Linux litigation is pretty contemporary. Way back before then, there was the System-V vs BSD "Unix wars" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars ) SCO-Linux litigation was just the SCO assholes wanting to get a piece of the pie when they were dying out.
The Day SunOS Died
"Bye, bye, SunOS 4.1.3!
ATT System V has replaced BSD.
You can cling to the standards of the industry
But only if you pay the right fee --
Only if you pay the right fee . . ."
http://www.poppyfields.net/filks/00070.htmlFor context, the guy who wrote "The Worst Job in the World" email was Michael Tiemann, one of "open source's great explainers." ;) Now he's pranking IBM executives by installing RedHat Enterprise Linux on their mainframes.
Re: Anthony Levandowski Charged with Theft of Trade Secrets
#255"Theft of trade secrets" is how Silicon Valley was built. Fairchild was "theft of trade secrets" from Shockley; Intel was "theft of trade secrets" from Fairchild. When Camenzind left Signetics and designed the 555 (under contract to Signetics), he was "using trade secrets" of Signetics; in today's legal environment, they could have just ordered him to stick around as an employee and work on a less risky project. MOST…
This is definitely not how Silicon Valley was built. People moved around (and still do) with the knowledge in their heads, not with proprietary data and backroom deals.
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#256Why did reporters keep calling Levandowski an engineer? He's really not, at least not for quite a number of years. Anyway, Levandowski was a lousy leader, and was really detrimental to Uber's ATG. He bloated ATG from fewer than 100 people to more than 2000 within less than a year, without paying the slightest attention to culture. As a result, the number of people grossly exceeded the quantity of work. Political infi…
Uber's leadership and corporate culture were toxic and ethically dubious long before Levandowski came along. It seems to me like he fit right in. No wonder Uber bet so much on that guy.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
P.S., Levandowski caused similar drama when he was in Google's self-driving car division too, per the book Autonomy by Lawrence D Burns.
It's baffling to me how everyone seems to hate the guy and say he was a terrible leader, employee, and person, and yet companies seemed to have been valuing him like a diamond. How did that work? Is he just good at duping and persuading and sweet-talking people? Does he have some past accomplishments that were respectable? Does he have some insight into autonomous driving no one else has? Why would Google and Uber be…
So if you were a CEO looking to hire a senior guy for autonomous vehicles, he was one of the most senior in years of experience, pretty much nobody was working on autonomous vehicles prior to the Grand Challenge.
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Lawyers and investors provide pathways to the market that allow engineers to build things that have actual value. The idea that engineers like you and I hold all of the tools and training to "create wealth" is too dismissive of those professions.
Yes, the truth is more nuanced: production is a collective endeavor that requires knowledge, energy, raw materials, labor, and capital equipment. Here in Argentina, the government is still in the hands of landowners, who control the raw materials, just like in the medieval feudal system. The US, on the other hand, is largely run by investors, whose access to capital to invest in capital equipment was the crucial limi…
These professions with less tangible output aren't zero sum. They're the necessary infrastructure of massive organizations, large projects, civilization itself. Calling them zero sum is sort of like saying pipes are zero sum because they just take water from one place and put it in another. It's a bit more complex than that.
Society has to have rules. Society is big, there are lots of domains. There need to be experts that understand those rules and help lay-folk navigate them. That's lawyers. Some are awful, do bad things, make things worse, we produce more of them than necessary, but civilization doesn't really work without them.
Similarly, the economy is huge. Allocation of capital requires people to oversee that process. There's your investors. Many are awful and greedy, but it's a necessary process unless/until we find more efficient ways of allocating capital-- And while programming itself is not capital intensive from the equipment perspective, it is from the "human capital" perspective. The burn rates of many startups will show just how intensive. Again, investors are "plumbing". They're positive sum because the entire system, which is positive sum, requires them to function.
Large projects have lots of moving pieces. At some scales, it's near impossible for a single person to have it all in their head, much less focus on a full time programming job while they're at it. All the moving pieces require coordination. Integration into the non-programming parts of a company require coordination. Managers do this. Plenty are mediocre at it. Others play power games. Some make things worse. But overall the system wouldn't function without them.
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Don't know why your original comment was down voted, but I'll tell you why I down voted this comment: the site rules say not to complain about downvotes. This isn't reddit, these types of comments only clutter the conversation. Plus, your original comment is only 9 minutes old, perhaps wait a bit longer before complaining about downvotes ;)
You have a lot of balls to break the site rules while saying that.