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China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by varjag »

AFascistWorld wrote: post #75
mrich wrote: post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

I don't know, hongkongers seem to prefer freedom.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by the_seraphim »

geowwy wrote: post #89
mrich wrote: post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

> Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of > their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were > overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The marketing is aimed at foreign countries who might buy the technology.

Saikō no hanbai-ryoku ga kidzutai yokusei no min

最高の販売

力が気付たい

抑制の民

>Marketing at its best

>Want capabilities to be noticed

>Keeps population in check

I apologise for the poor japanese, my attempt at a haiku

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by madez »

pgeorgi wrote: post #32
lysp wrote: post #24

> For ordinary people we will only extract their data when they need our help. > When they don't need help, we won't gather their data and it remains only in our big database. In the same sentence: "We won't gather their data" and "The data that we gather remains in a database".

It's a common dialectic pattern in law enforcement circles world-wide that data at rest that is never touched is data that doesn't exist. That angle is based on the idea that this data "may as well not exist" but it ignores the many issues with indiscriminate data collection: the data might leak, or management might change and invent undesirable "new" purposes for old data - which, within this theory, then begins to…

> within this theory, then begins to exist retroactively.

That is evidently what they keep the data for. They want to be able to have the data to access it eventually. If they didn't want to access it eventually, they wouldn't keep it. That is why mass collections, that are stored, are wrong.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #74
rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

I disagree with your assertion that facial recognition can have only nefarious applications. In fact I'd say the overwhelming majority of usage of the technology today is for unlocking phones and tagging friends on social media rather than arresting protestors.

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Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by llarsson »

Doubl wrote: post #92

The demonstrators in Hong Kong are very aware of this technology. I hope the masks and the umbrellas they use are effective but I doubt it

Gait analysis (how a person moves around) is definitely also used these days, so the masks may make it a tad more difficult, but certainly not impossible.

You know how you can tell that a person walking in the distance is your friend, even though you can't see their face at that distance? Yeah, so can algorithms.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by bitskits »

varjag wrote: post #91
AFascistWorld wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

I don't know, hongkongers seem to prefer freedom.

Exactly. HongKongers dont consider themselves Chinese.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/28/hongkongers-identifyin...

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by Gusmann »

zonidjan wrote: post #49

This is entirely unsurprising. Facial recognition for personalized (in public!) advertising is already a big market, and oh, various US localities are using facial recognition. This is, of course, on top of other tracking methods like ALPR and vehicle recognition, credit cards, cell phones, and so on. It is no longer possible to be "off the grid". And that's quite scary when you realize that every single adult has co…

Let's just hope that other countries won't implement the 'social credit' system like China did that for example bans you from travelling for committing even like you say minor offenses

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by squarefoot »

geowwy wrote: post #89
mrich wrote: post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

> Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of > their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were > overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The marketing is aimed at foreign countries who might buy the technology.

If some government buys this technology, they better demand full code -and data- disclosure, including any hardware design and firmware, because adding exceptions to skip certain individuals (spies?) or use it as a surveillance network that phones home local images hidden in updates would be less than trivial.
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