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China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by zaroth »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #5
rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

Facial recognition itself isn't the problem. Arresting good people based on bad laws is the problem.

Technology itself is always amoral. Even splitting the atom can be used to achieve wonderful and horrific outcomes.

So of course “facial recognition” per say is not the problem. But in this particular example, we see how facial recognition combined with a couple hundred million surveillance cameras funneled into a massive government data processing pipeline can be extremely effectively used for persistent tracking and nearly instant geolocation of “suspects”.

I’m pretty sure we’ve seen how this movie ends. There’s a reason we don’t implant GPS trackers into babies at birth just because they might get lost one day.

Maybe China will use this technology to build a veritable Eden free from crime and lost puppies. Or maybe they are closing the grip on a dystopian nightmare. I think you have to be pretty naive to think it’s not looking startlingly like the latter.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by salawat »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #5
rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

Facial recognition itself isn't the problem. Arresting good people based on bad laws is the problem.

Bad laws will always be made or be available for exploitation. That can't be fixed.

The facial recognition, in this case, is the right place to intervene.

The argument can be made it's a good thing for more people to be arrested for BSfaster to get laws off the books, however, I fear authority will exploit select enforcement to it's fullest extent to ensure they can put a sufficient number of problematic individuals away without stirring up unrest.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by austhrow743 »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #5
rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

Facial recognition itself isn't the problem. Arresting good people based on bad laws is the problem.

Bad laws will always exist. The temptation to introduce more bad laws will always exist amongst law makers.

It's important that enforcing the law be difficult, expensive, and imperfect.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by noonespecial »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #5
rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

Facial recognition itself isn't the problem. Arresting good people based on bad laws is the problem.

Ah yes, but at this point I'm quite sure it will be used in service of "bad laws" and little else.

Its true that thanks to profit motive, someone will build it.

Its just not going to be me.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by pishpash »

You need to see this in the proper social context. Yes, it's technology and seems like a new phenomenon ("dystopia"!), but that already existed and not much has changed. What if I told you that the local security bureau there always had all the information about people's whereabouts? If you were burglarized, you called one of them up and the thieves were caught. China never worked the way that most people understand.

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Post by DuskStar »

rtpg wrote: post #4

It's not just about this, but given all that is happening in the space of facial recognition, I think it would be really valuable for researchers to start looking at it like they would weapons research. Almost entirely nefarious applications. After WW2 the University of Tokyo banned weapons research from happening in its research labs. I think we can be drawing more lines on research like this and take a stand agains…

The University of Tokyo could afford to do that because another nation had taken over responsibility for their defense. Who's going to be that protector for the US?

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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Post by pishpash »

devoply wrote: post #15

As people in Hong Kong have shown, it's as easy to tear all this shit down as it is to put it up.

Not really. At this point the HK government doesn't care to go after the people tearing "all this shit down", but it wouldn't be hard. Protestors have the fantasy that they are invincible, because they know nothing is actually going to happen.
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