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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by nolok »

kensai wrote: post #143
wheelerwj wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

small business is defined as anything up to 500 people. mom and pop, restaurants are in the same group but it covers a pretty big swath.

500 people is a small business? Wow, definitely this definition is not used in Europe.

Mmm it’s not that far in France a TPE is below 10, a PME between 10 and 250, ETI between 250 and 5000 and a GE above 5000.

500 is almost PME which stands for Petites et Moyennes Entreprises, literally small and medium sized business.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by kayoone »

wheelerwj wrote: post #98
nexuist wrote: post #93

"It was built mostly for small to medium sized businesses, with a price that ranged from $200 to $400 a month depending on how many G Suite licenses you needed." Hm. Does that price seem too high? When I think small business I think mom and pop restaurants or utility stores. Would they be willing to pay so much per month just to hire people which they'll inevitably have to pay for anyways? Do small and medium busines…

small business is defined as anything up to 500 people. mom and pop, restaurants are in the same group but it covers a pretty big swath.

not sure why you are getting downvoted, the EU guideline recommends to define SMBs as <= 250 people and the German equivalent KMU is defined as <= 500 people

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by n42 »

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting).

If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of time until you will suddenly have to divert your time to figuring out how to migrate away from a Good Tool to a Less Good Tool because Google built it well then took it away. Swapping a tool like this is an abysmal resource sink for you and your company.

This is not the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth time this has happened, but this one should hit close to home.

Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by kayoone »

kensai wrote: post #143
wheelerwj wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

small business is defined as anything up to 500 people. mom and pop, restaurants are in the same group but it covers a pretty big swath.

500 people is a small business? Wow, definitely this definition is not used in Europe.

the EU guidelines says <= 250 employees, Germany's KMU is defined as <= 500 employees

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by jacob_rezi »

nateps wrote: post #132

I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

Wow cool to find you like this.

We built a resume software which focuses exactly on working with ats (https://rezi.io/)

We plan to make resume formats specific to certain types of ATS, Lever being amongst the first we hope to work with.

Any way this message can spark that conversation? Our users & hiring partners love the idea.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by rhizome »

Scipio_Afri wrote: post #110
cortesoft wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they want the people who worked on it to work on something else.

A LinkedIn clone that will be closed in less than 2 years after debuting it.

I'm guessing that's the one industry feature that LinkedIn won't be copying.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by kensai »

kayoone wrote: post #164
kensai wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500 people is a small business? Wow, definitely this definition is not used in Europe.

the EU guidelines says <= 250 employees, Germany's KMU is defined as <= 500 employees

Why the negative points?

Exactly in both definitions, the French and the German, the M means MEDIUM. 500 is NOT a SMALL business. It's at least a medium one.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by dmix »

NullPrefix wrote: post #156
dmix wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, #1 makes a lot of sense. The management/engineer’s time and commitment is the most finite resource and it’s possible they integrated it heavily since the 2015 acquisition. That said, they paid $380 million for it when it was called Bebop so it’s not entirely chump change if it retained that value.

What if they paid for some info and the company was a bundle deal

Half a billion dollars is a lot to pay for any one thing like customer data and talent. There has to be a strong business interest at that level.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by kayoone »

n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Well to that extent, most other SaaS products which are affordable for SMBs are not a safe investment either, it's not that non-google companies/startup never shut down. Actually most SaaS startups fail.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by manigandham »

Jasper_ wrote: post #138
manigandham wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

G Suite and Google Cloud are very different. GSuite is the enterprise version of the consumer apps which have billions of users so it's not going anywhere. Google Cloud has potential to meet or exceed adtech revenue and has some very big commercial customers. It's these smaller apps that suffer because $400/month isn't enough to make a difference at Google scale. They do have a mandate to keep innovating but it's a s…

> G Suite and Google Cloud are very different. GSuite is the enterprise version of the consumer apps which have billions of users so it's not going anywhere. Hire was a G Suite app.

It integrate into G-Suite but Hire is a separate application with its own subscription. I think it's clear that the G-Suite core services (email, calendar, productivity) are not going to be shutdown.
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