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Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by brianwawok »

gambiting wrote: post #132
Shivetya wrote: post #127

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my only concern about owning the model 3 is what happens when something breaks. However while Tesla gets a bad rap here and in many cases deserves it I have already experienced a similar problem first hand both with VW and Chevrolet. Fortunately for VW the issue I experienced will never resurface because they cannot sell TDI models anymore. Still I am hoping that by 2021 or at worst 2022 there is a viable alternative…

That's why I'm really interested in leasing one next year - if anything breaks, the leasing company has to fix it or provide me with an alternative, they own the car after all. I really want a Model 3 but I would never buy it to own.

There is a tidy profit for the leasing company for taking this fear over for you.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by systemtest »

natch wrote: post #98
darkerside wrote: post #64

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Why is the dealer fixing a cracked windshield? Is this somehow under warranty?

People have a perception that third party parts are inferior. Maybe Toyota limits access to some OEM parts by others for whatever reason.

For a windshield on a new car I would prefer OEM. The material, tint and cutouts might interfere with the sensors causing safety issues. The tint colour may also not match the side windows. The UV protection could be less. The strength can be less which will interfere with airbag deployment. The smoothness of the glass might be off causing suction mounts to operate worse. The fitment could be worse causing rust around the windshield in the future due to glass rubbing against the body or due to water ingress because the window is not big enough.

Insurance is usually paying for it, might as well go OEM.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by magashna »

ptaipale wrote: post #159
vonseel wrote: post #141

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_A beautiful oven with two dials would kill on the market. (maybe there is one, but I couldn't find one browsing on appliance stores)_ Aren't you commenting on a guy claiming to love his two dial microwave oven?

Exactly. I must admit that the 39 € oven isn't "beautiful" in terms of artistic design and implementation; it is merely practical and not an eyesore. It is made cheaply, so now after 5 years of use, the paint has chipped in some places where it has been cracked by hitting it with dishes, etc. However, functionally it is just what I want. It could be improved by making the design smoother so that it would be easier to…

Who's asking for a beautiful microwave? It's a microwave. You put old food in it for 30 seconds and then eat it as fast as possible before it gets rubbery. No beauty there.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by gambiting »

brianwawok wrote: post #161
gambiting wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I'm really interested in leasing one next year - if anything breaks, the leasing company has to fix it or provide me with an alternative, they own the car after all. I really want a Model 3 but I would never buy it to own.

There is a tidy profit for the leasing company for taking this fear over for you.

Actually, for some reason leasing ends up cheaper than PCP, so it looks like you're paying extra for the ability to buy the car out at the end, which I don't particularly care about.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by decebalus1 »

natch wrote: post #98
darkerside wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the dealer fixing a cracked windshield? Is this somehow under warranty?

People have a perception that third party parts are inferior. Maybe Toyota limits access to some OEM parts by others for whatever reason.

I've got a 2019 SUV and when my windshield cracked, insurance told me to get OEM because of the whole EyeSight thing. This makes me question the viability of the third party windshield business going forward.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by dragonwriter »

miracle2k wrote: post #160
gambiting wrote: post #149

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>>Maybe this is true, but for newer cars, installing third party parts or even having the car looked at by a third party will void the warranty. Unless the law varies hugely where you live compared to the rest of the Western countries, that's just simply 100000% not true. You can do almost any modification to your car and it doesn't void the warranty, unless the manufacturer can show that the fault occured due to the…

Note that a manufacturer warranty might be distinct and separate from statutory obligations the manufacturer also has. So while the rights your consumer protection laws give you are not voided, an additional, voluntary warranty provided may well be.

> Note that a manufacturer warranty might be distinct and separate from statutory obligations the manufacturer also has.

In much of the West (including the US, even though it has generally weak consumer protections), there is a statutory restriction with regard to when the manufacturer can and can not void a warranty.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by nguoi »

tyingq wrote: post #136
olivermarks wrote: post #93

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The EV conversion made the car a lot heavier and was a pretty complex conversion https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/09/18/elon-mu... .

"Only the windshield, the dashboard (complete with the airbags and the wheel), the front wishbones, the rear-view mirrors...and the removable soft top were carried over from the Elise"

It's a very similar looking car, even down to the T E S L A matching the L O T U S. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'new' parts had conspicuously similar mounting points.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by deadbunny »

jandrese wrote: post #31
jdnenej wrote: post #27

This is becoming more and more of a problem as everything becomes more complex. I remember when I was a child my dad repaired the power switch on the vacume cleaner by going to the local electrical store and buying the exact same switch. Now every single device has its own custom part and the switch isn't just connecting 2 wires, it's contacting a main board telling it the button has been pressed triggering the power…

The good news is you can get almost anything on the Internet. I've found so many weird parts from shady eBay sellers that worked perfectly in the end. Other times I've had to order a similar part off of Mouser and hack it to make it fit, with varying levels of success.

>parts from shady eBay sellers that worked perfectly in the end.

So not shady then...

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by tyingq »

nguoi wrote: post #167
tyingq wrote: post #136

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"Only the windshield, the dashboard (complete with the airbags and the wheel), the front wishbones, the rear-view mirrors...and the removable soft top were carried over from the Elise"

It's a very similar looking car, even down to the T E S L A matching the L O T U S. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'new' parts had conspicuously similar mounting points.

It does look similar, but the article says every body panel is different.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by nguoi »

jedberg wrote: post #70
lucas_membrane wrote: post #62

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>> put enough parts and cash in escrow How about just putting the CAD data into escrow, and it all becomes public domain whenever (1) the manufacturer no longer makes replacement parts available, or (2) the price to replace all the parts of a vehicle exceeds three times the original purchase price.

A good idea in theory, but would you trust the security of the escrow system? It would be a very ripe target for corporate espionage.

They could just as easily buy a car and cut it up. IP is generally protected by (threat of) a courtroom, not obscurity.
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