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Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by navigatesol »

londons_explore wrote: post #126
icelancer wrote: post #120

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Lots of would-be buyers won't purchase until the supply lines and insane repair wait times are fixed. Source: I am one, as are many of my friends in Seattle.

It's s tricky issue to fix - often parts fail due to a bad design (eg. 1 part too weak). Everyone wants to buy that replacement part, leading to a shortage. At the same time, Tesla doesn't want to increase production of the faulty parts - in fact, they want to reduce production so they can redirect machines to making the new, better part. But it takes time to understand what was wrong and to design and test. Overall,…

>But it takes time to understand what was wrong and to design and test.

These seem like obvious problems to anyone in manufacturing, especially in the auto world. The fact that Tesla didn't foresee them is scary.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by navigatesol »

leesalminen wrote: post #50

My wife has a 2020 Toyota Corolla. Less than 3 months old and it’s got a bad crack in the windshield. Toyota says a replacement is 6 months out and there are 800 on backorder in North America right now. So, it’s not just Tesla. Can happen to any manufacturer.

>So, it’s not just Tesla. Can happen to any manufacturer.

How many Corollas are on the road? How many Teslas?

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Post by gambiting »

heeen2 wrote: post #150
benj111 wrote: post #128

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From one angle this isn't so unreasonable. If your car never breaks down, why fix it when it does. There are already plenty of sealed units in a car. If your 2nd gear went, you'd replace the whole box. Id be interested to know what proportion of phones actually break (except user imposed damage) before they reach the end of their useful lives, I would guess very few.

Phones would last much longer if you could swap the battery again

Which....you absolutely can. Maybe not by yourself, but a phone shop down the road will swap any battery in any phone for like ~£30. It's really not an issue at all. Most people just don't want to and the end of battery life usually concides with people feeling like they want something new and fresh, so it's a very convenient excuse to justify getting a new phone - while replacing the battery wouldn't be an issue in the slightest.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by chaosbutters »

leesalminen wrote: post #50

My wife has a 2020 Toyota Corolla. Less than 3 months old and it’s got a bad crack in the windshield. Toyota says a replacement is 6 months out and there are 800 on backorder in North America right now. So, it’s not just Tesla. Can happen to any manufacturer.

um, my Nissan got a windshield crack, I went to the dealership to get it fixed and they said run away. We [Nissan] will charge you ~$1000 and it might take the whole day while if you go to safelite, they'll do it in 2 hrs and Windshields are the exception for car repair and you shouldn't have been going to toyota.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by benj111 »

pjc50 wrote: post #138
benj111 wrote: post #128

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From one angle this isn't so unreasonable. If your car never breaks down, why fix it when it does. There are already plenty of sealed units in a car. If your 2nd gear went, you'd replace the whole box. Id be interested to know what proportion of phones actually break (except user imposed damage) before they reach the end of their useful lives, I would guess very few.

> actually break (except user imposed damage) before they reach the end of their useful lives I'm not sure that distinction into those three categories is actually useful. Almost nothing breaks within normal use in a few years. "User damage" through cracked screens is a major factor in phone end of life. And the other determinant of "useful life" is either the battery or the operating system, both of which are under…

My point is most of a phone is reliable, it will reliably outlast peoples need for it. I have never heard anyone complain about their processor breaking, or ram. If the processor breaks the expectation is you buy a new phone, and that's reasonable because there isn't a reason to do it any other way.

One of the promises of EVs is vastly improved reliability. Isnt it plausible if motors reliably last 500k miles that the infrastructure will never be built to replace them, and instead you'll just replace the car. Its plausible we're already at that stage with engines? If garages just become glorified body (phone repair) shops, aren't we at the scenario to gp described?

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by benj111 »

AmVess wrote: post #140
benj111 wrote: post #128

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From one angle this isn't so unreasonable. If your car never breaks down, why fix it when it does. There are already plenty of sealed units in a car. If your 2nd gear went, you'd replace the whole box. Id be interested to know what proportion of phones actually break (except user imposed damage) before they reach the end of their useful lives, I would guess very few.

It's pretty unreasonable for many components in a car if you are paying for it yourself. There's a Model S owner who is on the 7th drive unit replacement for his car. This is a $15,000 unit. These cars are too expensive to be disposable, but that's where they are headed because parts are difficult or impossible to obtain out of warranty.

Right, that isnt a car that never breaks down though. Teslas might not be at the required reliability to day, EVs one day might be.

Re price, an interesting point.

Do I not repair my TV because its so reliable, or because the replacement is cheap?

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by wiggles_md »

benrbray wrote: post #107
natch wrote: post #98

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People have a perception that third party parts are inferior. Maybe Toyota limits access to some OEM parts by others for whatever reason.

Maybe this is true, but for newer cars, installing third party parts or even having the car looked at by a third party will void the warranty. So at least during this early period, the incentives are such that you're better off taking the car to the dealership so you still have the warranty later when you really need it.

There are some limited exceptions, but generally speaking what you are saying would be in violation of Magnuson-Moss.

Unless it can be proven by the warrantor that the 3rd party labor or parts caused the fault, the use of 3rd party labor or parts does not void the warranty.

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Post by lostgame »

leesalminen wrote: post #75
Infernal wrote: post #71

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I have wondered about this between my 2008 Honda and my 2019 Honda. The 2008, I have had the windshield replaced twice, no sweat, once due to a rock from the road and once due to a hailstone. On the 2019, there is a suite of sensors behind the rearview mirror that (I presume) handle lane detection and object avoidance (emergency braking) duties. I don't know what assumptions those sensors (or the software behind them…

Pretty much. Same deal on the Corolla. Just out of curiosity I checked safelite.com and they don’t even offer a replace option on this year/make/model. Only repair, and this crack is well beyond the repair limit.

Return the Corolla while you still can. This is hot garbage.

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by ptaipale »

vonseel wrote: post #141
sergiosgc wrote: post #137

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There is an "Apple" market for the first company that designs a simple microwave oven. The user interface on most of those things is atrocious. A beautiful oven with two dials would kill on the market. (maybe there is one, but I couldn't find one browsing on appliance stores)

_A beautiful oven with two dials would kill on the market. (maybe there is one, but I couldn't find one browsing on appliance stores)_ Aren't you commenting on a guy claiming to love his two dial microwave oven?

Exactly. I must admit that the 39 € oven isn't "beautiful" in terms of artistic design and implementation; it is merely practical and not an eyesore. It is made cheaply, so now after 5 years of use, the paint has chipped in some places where it has been cracked by hitting it with dishes, etc. However, functionally it is just what I want.

It could be improved by making the design smoother so that it would be easier to clean the inside when my microwave meal happens to explode.

The good thing is also that it's still on the market, so if this unit breaks, I'll just buy another one. (Perhaps I should buy one to storage, just in case they stop making/selling this thing).

Re: Keeping Tesla Roadsters Alive Is Serious Work

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Post by miracle2k »

gambiting wrote: post #149
benrbray wrote: post #107

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Maybe this is true, but for newer cars, installing third party parts or even having the car looked at by a third party will void the warranty. So at least during this early period, the incentives are such that you're better off taking the car to the dealership so you still have the warranty later when you really need it.

>>Maybe this is true, but for newer cars, installing third party parts or even having the car looked at by a third party will void the warranty. Unless the law varies hugely where you live compared to the rest of the Western countries, that's just simply 100000% not true. You can do almost any modification to your car and it doesn't void the warranty, unless the manufacturer can show that the fault occured due to the…

Note that a manufacturer warranty might be distinct and separate from statutory obligations the manufacturer also has. So while the rights your consumer protection laws give you are not voided, an additional, voluntary warranty provided may well be.
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