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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal that so many people insist meat must be part of a meal? To the degree that in Argentina they say "si no hay carne, no hay comida" (if there is no meat, it is not a meal). It feels like if I insisted on having bread at every table sitting. Clearly, it can be seen as just a habit and not a requirement?

Every experience I've had with "no meat, no meal" has also been associated with a heavy dose but "I'm a man". YMMV

Perhaps because vegans and vegetarians are substantially more likely to be thin and, well, less traditionally manly, both in appearance and in values. It's a different set of cultural values and it isn't invalid just because it differs from yours.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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You literally agreed with me two comments ago that Tyson chicken is worse than locally (read not mass) produced chicken. Don't try to turn it around again just so you can win an imaginary argument I'm not trying to have.

Did you read the first half of that comment and not the second? Local chicken is generally "better" than supermarket chicken. That doesn't make supermarket chicken "shitty"; supermarket-grade chicken is necessarily what most people are going to eat, most of the time. It has for more than half a century been our standard, and our standard is better than what preceded it. You can always do better. But I'd like to see a…

> You can always do better. But I'd like to see a well-grounded argument that KFC-grade chicken is somehow "shitty".

I'd say if you buy your meat from a local butcher and you know the actual source of the meat, then you'd likely say that raising chickens in high capacity growth sheds doesn't put out what many would define as quality birds. [0] The chicken is likely fine for consumption, agreed. But if you were born, pumped full of feed to make you as fat as fast as possible, and barely had room to move during that time - would you qualify yourself as healthy? Just as an athlete vs a couch potato have significantly different body composition one could assert this is also true for chickens. In the grand scheme you get what you pay for. In a race to the bottom of cheap meat you need scale and it's much easier to throw lots of chickens in a small place than it is to free-range them.

Finally, while subjective, it's a common pattern to leverage MSG in products that are of generally low quality. I don't know anyone who puts MSG in recipes using pricier butcher cuts, I know I never have. KFC has Monosodium Glutamate in most things they sell.

I guess if you want to stand on a soap box and call out that KFC meat quality isn't "shitty" just because nobody has proven it to you, then more power to you. But, it's hard to argue that there isn't a difference of quality by a mass producer of chicken vs non-mass producing vendors. I mean, it's why people pay more for a friendlier and healthier growth environment for said meats. "Shitty" in the sense of this argument seems rather subjective anyway. But I will say it's hard to argue mass produced chicken isn't "shitty" for the environment. [1][2]

[0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999689/The-35-day-... [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221431731... [2] https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/77/4/197/5...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

Can you make a clearer, better-cited case for "low cost chains serve meat that could barely even be called meat"? KFC serves (primarily) whole muscle chicken†, and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low that we've been accused of "dumping" it on other countries and messing up their markets --- KFC seems to have no trouble sourcing its inputs effectively. KFC's suppliers include all the major chicke…

Just anecdotal, but I was once chatting on a plane with a guy working as a meat buyer for a major dog food brand. He told me his work was to negotiate the cheapest thing that would pass legally as meat as possible, in the biggest quantity as possible. He then mentioned in passing that his toughest competition was Mc Donald's.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

Plant based meats is what the chains have been wanting to do all along. Plant is cheap, doesn't matter how disgusting it is at the processing plant, because they make it look like meat anyway. And now the public has decided that plant based meats are healthy(?!?) and not loaded with salt and void of real nutrition.

I'm sorry, is there some kind of simulated nutrition I'm not aware of? Say, something that can legally be labeled as protein which is not, in fact, protein?

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

Because meat-products are inseperable from our food culture in many places.

I'm from NC, so to me "BBQ" means something very specific and that meaning is a point of cultural pride. We like to trash talk our neighbors based on the sauce they use (eastern NC is vinegar-base, Western is ketchup-base, and South Carolina is mustard-based) but we still all agree that the meat is pulled or chopped pork. In Texas and Kansas City they call brisket and ribs "BBQ", and in other places, "BBQ" can just mean a outdoor get-together with anything grilled!

All that is to say that, becoming vegan or vegetarian in NC means losing a fun part of your culture if you throw out meat alternatives. Luckily, there are enterprising folks making amazing meat-free alternatives that still feel authentic to NC-style BBQ (I highly recommend "Fiction Kitchen" in Raleigh for eastern-style).

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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The fake meat movement is just a cash grab for those who want to eat like crap but feel good about themselves. Looking at the ingredients list, it's pretty obvious that cancer/heart disease will go up. I've already got a long-term Put Option on $BYND because not even the CEO or big celebrity investors believe it is a good long-term bet -- cashing out at its peak a few weeks back. Given the relative ease of spreading…

Let me guess: You're eating a lot of meat?

A fair amount :) Put your money where your mouth is goes both ways...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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McDonalds does in fact use 100% USDA-inspected beef, with "no fillers, additives, or preservatives", and explicitly does not use mechanically separated meat. It's not "organic", but then, most beef isn't.

Then I am happy to say I am happy for their recent changes, this certainly wasn’t the case a few years ago when I wrote them off, and even more not the case 10 years ago when I was still in the industry. I think it should be promoted as an example that consumer pressure and expectations can cause companies to change for the better. I will say I remain skeptical on exactly how they can go from the ammonia wash + chemi…

They haven't used ammonia wash or "lean beef trimmings" since around 2011.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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https://www.quora.com/Why-is-KFC-bad-for-our-health Summary, too much fat, salt, antibiotics. Chicken tastes watery because they soak it in salt.

You mean they brine it? Like home cooks have been urged to do by Cooks Illustrated for 20 years?

Not familiar with the advice given in Cooks Illustrated over the last 20 years is it related to sport's illustrated where they show you cooks wearing swimsuits.

Brining if you can call it that is only step 2. Here's the steps they use to prepare.

https://gizmodo.com/this-is-how-kfc-actually-makes-their-fri...

Are those the steps Cooking illustrated gave you? Are you cooking your own kfc at home now?

You seem like the guy who went to the coke/pepsi taste test challenge and said they both taste the same.. they taste like 7up.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

> Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat Vegetarians do not want to replace meat. (I mean, they are already vegetarian). Anecdotally, I haven't met a single vegetarian/vegan who is interested in Impossible or Beyond Meat substitutes. Such products are instead very helpful for those who want to reduce read meat in their diet.

Hi, I'm a vegetarian who is very much interested in Impossible and Beyond Meat as meat substitutes.

Now you've met one.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

Watch when it has zero impact on climate change because the extensive ingredient list on the beyond meat burger which requires a huge supply chain shipping products all around the country along with a complicated manufacturing process requiring energy ends up having a similar environmental impact to simple animal farming.

I’ve shared this a few times on this site but this BBC article [0] is pretty clear - red meat (beef in particular) is vastly worse than veg alternatives. [1] breaks it down a bit farther and shoes that the transport and processing associated with foods is a minuscule part of their impact (mostly) - the impact of processing/transporting beef is more than the entire impact of any other vegetable on the chart.

[0] https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/scienc...

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