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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Can you make a clearer, better-cited case for "low cost chains serve meat that could barely even be called meat"? KFC serves (primarily) whole muscle chicken†, and the general US appetite for "dark meat" chicken is so low that we've been accused of "dumping" it on other countries and messing up their markets --- KFC seems to have no trouble sourcing its inputs effectively. KFC's suppliers include all the major chicke…

This[1] paper has nothing to do with KFC or their chicken per-se, but it did make me steer clear of fast food burgers for a long time. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18995204 TLDR: "Meat content in the hamburgers ranged from 2.1% to 14.8% (median, 12.1%)."

50% of it was water though so that’s not so bad I guess.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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They're dependent on technological intervention to get the required supplements. It isn't a natural way for humans to persist.

They may occasionally need certain vitamins that are rare in plants, but it's inaccurate to classify vegans as unable to satisfy their protein requirements. (And FWIW, there are natural vegetarian cultures that have survived without supplements.)

Vegetarians are fine, but vegans are at particular risk. I assume that's why op mentioned them to begin with.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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>we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed A non meat dish is still going to taste like a non-meat dish. Perhaps your colleagues were just being polite and avoiding treading into politically charged territory after you brought up the Amazon. Personally I'm a picky eater and vegan/vegetarian dishes simply do not compare to meat. I'm sure others feel similarly. Though for one meal I suppos…

I honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal that so many people insist meat must be part of a meal? To the degree that in Argentina they say "si no hay carne, no hay comida" (if there is no meat, it is not a meal). It feels like if I insisted on having bread at every table sitting. Clearly, it can be seen as just a habit and not a requirement?

Every experience I've had with "no meat, no meal" has also been associated with a heavy dose but "I'm a man". YMMV

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I was a vegetarian, vegan, then back to vegetarian, then flexitarian, and now predominately carnivore -- over the course of 15 years. The me from 2 years ago would be overjoyed about this "progress", from an ethical standpoint and from believing that meat is bad for you. Present me sees this as what it is: another unhealthy product in an already oversaturated marketplace to dupe suckers.

I have a hard time understanding how a proponent of vegetarianism, presuming you are one, could be so dismissive of a technological advancement that will almost certainly lead to reduced meat consumption.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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How would you propose describing something that has the consistency and flavor of chicken, and which doesn't denigrate the non-chicken product? Quotes and asterisks are as you said not always sufficiently visible differentiators, but misspellings like "Chikken" or the like will usually be trademarked by a particular organization and not be available for widespread usage.

Chicken-flavored _X_, where _X_ is either a brand name or some generic name for the category. At the end of the day, a chicken is an animal, and chicken is the name for the meat that comes from that animal - and hence, probably shouldn't be used for products that aren't derived from that animal.

First off, "chicken-flavored" is confusing, it usually means "flavored with chicken".

Secondly, language doesn't work that way so we end up soy milk, grasshopper pie, sweetbread, head cheese, cocoa butter, Bombay duck, Rocky Mountain oysters, coconut meat, Welsh rabbit, Mississippi caviar, chicken fingers, ladyfingers, Jerusalem artichokes, and Grapenuts.

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Also they've been completely left out of the vegetarian market other than for snacks.

…in the US. They’ve been doing vegetarian options in Europe for at least 20 years.

Not where I am. Now, I've only been to a McDonald's once since I moved here (Norway), but if I didn't eat fish, I'd have nothing but fries.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Impossible Burger isn't lab-grown meat

What would you consider Impossible Burger, if not lab-grown meat?

I suppose you could call falafel a lab-grown kibbeh or kofta ball? But nobody does.

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> vegans will never be able to get the protein they need to survive There are millions of vegans around the world who can "survive" without meat: they just get their protein from other places.

They're dependent on technological intervention to get the required supplements. It isn't a natural way for humans to persist.

I’ll just leave this here for you: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humans-are-omnivores

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> my issue is that we're intentionally making it harder to sell vegan/vegetarian alternatives by trying to replicate something unachievable instead of coming up with entirely new products. Except they are achieving it. I've eaten Beyond Meat patties and they are close enough and good enough. As a 'vegan-curious' eater, products like Beyond Meat are a halfway point which eases the transition to a vegan diet (or at lea…

That's the general line of reasoning. I don't really buy it since a well cooked meat burger is going to be better than the beyond meat at a much lower cost. For perspective, the price per lb is more than a sirloin steak. Very few people eat sirloin steak everyday and so Beyond Meat isn't going to do much for the in terms of transitioning people who primarily eat cheaper meats. On the other hand, Margarine (invented i…

And then we realized that hydrogenated plant fat was pretty terrible for you.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Have you ever met a vegan?

Judging by your reply I think I have now.

I'm not a vegan, if that's what you're asking: I'm vegetarian. But I assure you that vegans are not sickly due to protein deficiencies; they simply get it from other places.
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