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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I imagine that that difference is going mostly to recoup R&D costs at e.g. Impossible right now, who is making the patties.

for now I expect you're correct. But in the long run it should ideally have really nice margins. Once Beyond and Impossible get a version that is as close as it needs to be, they can start focusing on supply chain and stuff like that.

Agree w/ you & GP, and I suspect that the parent of my reply is actually correct. I just didn't think the linked article supported the claim.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

Margarine without trans fats is readily available and can be a healthier fat than butter though. But I agree the initial, high trans-fat margarines were bad. Red meat is not very hard to beat in terms of negative health outcomes, so I doubt plant-based meats will be as horrid as the initial margarine put to market.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Because the meat you buy in the grocery store goes bad after a few days, and (here is where I think parent is being slightly intellectually dishonest) while it is true that the fast food companies certainly source their meats from authentic, standard-holding institutions, that's only the beginning. That isn't to say the rounds of processing and preservation that occurs afterwards. You can't just buy a McDonalds chick…

My favorite thing was when Wendy's did its "never frozen" campaign. As if freezing was the problem . It's not going to magically last just as long if you don't freeze it, you have to close that gap with more preservatives.

If you're trying to minimize cost, you're better off buying the right quantity of meat to begin with rather than buying preservatives.

Freezing is hugely deleterious to ground beef quality. It changes the texture irrevocably. The two major differences between fast food burgers and fast casual burgers are frozen/fresh and cooked in advance/cooked to order. All the more expensive, more lauded burgers like Five Guys, Shake Shack, In 'n' Out, etc are fresh beef. McDonald's launched a fresh beef quarter pounder to universally positive reviews.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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A plant-based burger. Lab-grown meat is made from animal cells

The "lab-grown" term is [EDIT: sometimes and apparently incorrectly] used for plant-based meat substitutes like Impossible Burger. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

I have never heard anyone so confused that they can't tell the difference between "animal that was never alive" and "made from vegetable products". This isn't confusing, and I will need evidence to believe that it is "widely used". I don't think I've ever even heard someone attempt to conflate the two before you.

But I acknowledge that just because this is completely obvious to me and I've never met someone who was confused about the difference doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

Do you have some reason to believe that meat is healthier, or is this speculation?

The number one reason is that we've eaten red meat for millions of years, literally.

Given fake meat is new and I'm not seeing it in stores nearby yet, I'm going to assume a fair comparison will take another decade, after the studies and the meta analysis show up.

Until then the burden of proof is not on me ;-)

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

What makes you say that other than extrapolating from a single sample? Partially hydrogenated fats are a preservative and harm from butter and fat in general has been shown to be an abuse of statistics to avoid blaming sugar (fructose).

To me this seems like the idea that things thought to be much more benign (like cigarettes) are shown to cause cancer so cell phones must cause cancer too, without understanding any fundamentals of that sort of claim.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think the fake meat movement will go the way of Margarine. Initially it's celebrated as a feat of engineering and as the healthy alternative to meat. After about 10 to 20 years however, we'll see cancer and heart disease rates going up. And then the billions of dollars spent in health care will pile up, but nobody will readily admit it, because the fuck up will be even bigger than with Margarine. After all, Margari…

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

Do you realize that you are asking "Why do other people like things that I don't like?"

Answer: Because taste isn't universal.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Do you have some reason to believe that meat is healthier, or is this speculation?

The number one reason is that we've eaten red meat for millions of years, literally. Given fake meat is new and I'm not seeing it in stores nearby yet, I'm going to assume a fair comparison will take another decade, after the studies and the meta analysis show up. Until then the burden of proof is not on me ;-)

As opposed to plants?

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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> Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it might help them cut down on calories and improve their health image. Which is “less gross” is highly objective. > I wonder what impact it'll have on climate change when McDonalds stops buying real beef. Would be a nice longbet, “ McDonald’s will stop selling beef burgers by 20XY ”. I’d be on the “no” side of that bet.

For what values of XY?

Those aren't variables, it's a common-era year in Base 36, so in base 10, that's A.D. 94,534.

At least, I think that's about when it's likely to happen.

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