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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by _bxg1 »

icxa wrote: post #158
dmix wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know why people think it's bad meat compared to the supermarket? Is it just the general attitude society has developed towards fast-food and big business? I don't mind KFC but Taco Bell meat always seemed a bit...off and low quality.

Because the meat you buy in the grocery store goes bad after a few days, and (here is where I think parent is being slightly intellectually dishonest) while it is true that the fast food companies certainly source their meats from authentic, standard-holding institutions, that's only the beginning. That isn't to say the rounds of processing and preservation that occurs afterwards. You can't just buy a McDonalds chick…

My favorite thing was when Wendy's did its "never frozen" campaign. As if freezing was the problem. It's not going to magically last just as long if you don't freeze it, you have to close that gap with more preservatives.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by ghaff »

colobas wrote: post #156
gizmo385 wrote: post #136

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What would you consider Impossible Burger, if not lab-grown meat?

A plant-based burger. Lab-grown meat is made from animal cells

The "lab-grown" term is [EDIT: sometimes and apparently incorrectly] used for plant-based meat substitutes like Impossible Burger. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by wcfields »

tptacek wrote: post #127
acollins1331 wrote: post #122

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The term "barely meat" as used in the parent was definitely talking about the ground beef you get at fast food restaraunts. Which has been shown in lots of cases to contain additives, notably taco bell etc. You brought up chicken because it's harder to call it barely meat, but fast food chicken is still shittier.

"Shittier" how? Chick-Fil-A's fast-food chicken is likely better than the median supermarket chicken (it's all supposedly antibiotic-free now). I'd like to see a better grounded argument, one that doesn't depend entirely on the premise that "fast food meat must be shitty because we disdain fast food".

All chicken in the US is technically antibiotic-free. [1]

[1] https://www.consumerreports.org/overuse-of-antibiotics/what-...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by [deleted] »

yters wrote: post #113
ceejayoz wrote: post #42

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A quick Google search for "beyond meat" reveals lots of photos of their packaging. Every single one of them has large, all-caps, bright green "PLANT BASED" on the front of the package. They're not hiding anything, and anyone confused by it probably has themselves to blame. For example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074YGZ77H/

All meat is plant based :) I only can interpret that label because I'm now cynically familiar with the deceptive advertising practices currently used. But, to someone not used to how advertisers try to make one thing seem to be another, saying 'beyond meat' is 'plant based' does not communicate this thing is just a bunch of vegetables.

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by wil421 »

maximente wrote: post #153
wil421 wrote: post #133

Why do American (and presumably westerners) vegetarians want to replace meat? I hated vegan and vegetarian food for song long until I ate meat free Indian food. It was always the meat replacements like veggie patties and tofurkey type products that turned me away. Indian food doesn’t have some weird mystery replacement I find on almost every vegan or veggie dish. I had a conversation with and Indian colleague who liv…

KFC isn't rolling out thai/indian curries, garlic chinese broccoli, or cheese gorditas any time soon so in this context it seems odd to somehow demonize fake meat while suggesting foreign cuisines are superior. what's the point? most of the interest i'm guessing is coming from what was previously thought to be "unthinkable": that is, fast food chains whose core business revolves around animal flesh introducing someth…

Personally I’d rather just eat the sides at KFC than have fake over processed chicken. I just don’t get the need for fake meat. Everyone seems to be against over processed foods and fake meats seem more processed than anything else.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by _bxg1 »

skyyler wrote: post #172
_bxg1 wrote: post #147

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"Gross" being defined as amount of chemicals, likelihood to be spoiled and/or make you sick, etc. Beef won't go away completely in 20XY; maybe not ever, which is fine. But at the scale and quality standards of fast-food, and with the recent progress in the meatless space, I would bet McDonald's will stop selling it in my lifetime.

I don't like this definition of gross. If it were true, then cooking something would serve to make it far more gross. Hundreds, if not thousands of new chemical compounds are created via the Maillard reaction. Food that can make you sick isn't necessarily gross tasting. Spoiled food is definitely gross, though.

Pedantry isn't helpful. You knew what I meant by "chemicals": flavor additives, preservatives, antibiotics, etc.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by tptacek »

wcfields wrote: post #183
tptacek wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Shittier" how? Chick-Fil-A's fast-food chicken is likely better than the median supermarket chicken (it's all supposedly antibiotic-free now). I'd like to see a better grounded argument, one that doesn't depend entirely on the premise that "fast food meat must be shitty because we disdain fast food".

All chicken in the US is technically antibiotic-free. [1] [1] https://www.consumerreports.org/overuse-of-antibiotics/what-...

Here I think we’re referring to the “raised without antibiotics” standard.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by NoGravitas »

dragonwriter wrote: post #70
Djvacto wrote: post #61

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Well, no one wins since they no longer use beef tallow, but do add beef flavoring to the spuds. So we can't eat them and people who liked the tallow-fried ones don't enjoy them as much (?)

The “natural beef flavor” doesn't, AFAIK, have beef in it (except insofar as hydrolyzed milk protein, originating as it does in a cow, is “beef”.) The construction “natural X flavor” in an ingredient list means “flavorings that can legally be described as natural which are intended to simulate X”.

So is this to say that McDonalds' fries are lacto-ovo-vegetarian, but not vegan? I'm not vegan myself, but I find this a strange category for fried potatoes to end up in.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by saagarjha »

fromthestart wrote: post #130
telesilla wrote: post #103

I'm preparing a large dinner for an organisation at the moment and decided that we'd make the menu vegan/vegetarian (we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed). When I mentioned it to some omnivore colleagues, they asked why and I shrugged and said "the Amazon is burning". They shrugged back and said, makes sense. It's not many years since I would have expected complaints at not catering…

>we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed A non meat dish is still going to taste like a non-meat dish. Perhaps your colleagues were just being polite and avoiding treading into politically charged territory after you brought up the Amazon. Personally I'm a picky eater and vegan/vegetarian dishes simply do not compare to meat. I'm sure others feel similarly. Though for one meal I suppos…

> Personally I'm a picky eater and vegan/vegetarian dishes simply do not compare to meat.

What are you eating, and how are you comparing it? If you're trying to treat a salad as a meat replacement, well, it's not going to do all that well. But there's a lot of meals designed to be complete without meat that might work for you, as long as you're not expecting them to taste like beef.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by siffland »

telesilla wrote: post #103

I'm preparing a large dinner for an organisation at the moment and decided that we'd make the menu vegan/vegetarian (we use a wonderful Italian caterer, so flavour isn't going to be missed). When I mentioned it to some omnivore colleagues, they asked why and I shrugged and said "the Amazon is burning". They shrugged back and said, makes sense. It's not many years since I would have expected complaints at not catering…

I am probably misinformed, but i thought the amazon buring was allegedly due to making more farmland?
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