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Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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There was a lawsuit a few years back when vegetarians discovered that McDonald's was flavoring their fries with beef juice. I do think they've since stopped the practice.

I'm still fucking mad about that. Frying in beef juice made them taste so much better.

Well, no one wins since they no longer use beef tallow, but do add beef flavoring to the spuds.

So we can't eat them and people who liked the tallow-fried ones don't enjoy them as much (?)

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I worked at KFC for several years in Australia, the chicken was quite fresh.

All of the fastfood chains based in united states have much better quality abroad.

That's definitely not true. McDonald's and Burger King were both markedly worse in my experience. A shame in-n-out isn't abroad, and haven't found a Taco Bell or Wendy's yet. Not that I would really go out of my way to eat fast food overseas now that I'm an adult... I don't even eat these things in the US.

There's wide variability within the US anyway. I've noticed that affluent suburbs tend to have great fast food, while urban and rural environments have awful fast food.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

I think you're absolutely right! And they even have been offering vegetarian options in other countries for some time.

One of my friends from India was quite surprised when he moved to the US that McDonald's doesn't have many vegetarian options like it does in India.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

the economic argument has always been the strongest in my eyes, and it's unstoppable. animals are a huge liability health wise, pollution wise, environment wise, activism wise, logistic wise, etc. most companies don't care about all that stuff at the surface level, but it all translates into dollar signs, which they do care about.

as soon as the economic-taste-weirdness function reaches a certain point, i'll expect you'll see these cheap fast food options convert more and more fractions of their products (right now many use fillers already) to fake meat, eventually replacing it entirely alongside offering reduced prices for these products, while leaving meat generally as a higher priced option signaling disposable income (sort of like Argentinian beef or w/e is today)

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it is a rather toxic movement that we are continuing to label things that which they are not. "fried plant-based ‘chicken’" it makes no sense at all A lot of it is egged on by the vegan/vegetarians and is the definition of false advertising. I saw "vegan" mince in the meat section the other day. I feel sorry for the elderly or learning impaired who might be accidentally buying soy substitutes when their bodie…

Don't know why you are being down voted. As a vegan, one of my biggest gripes with the recent movement is the marketing of new products and the obsession of replacing meat with vegetables. To further illustrate your point, imagine trying to replicate carrots using only veal and calling it something like "calf-rots", it absolutely makes no sense. Your issue is primarily with the false representation, my issue is that…

It seems like the makers of these products have a dilemma between trying to describe a product in relative terms to meat in which they set themselves up for an unfair comparison or describing their product with no reference to meat ("texturized vegetable protein") and have the customer not have any idea what it is or balk at the phrasing.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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French fries and soda are vegetarian.

There was a lawsuit a few years back when vegetarians discovered that McDonald's was flavoring their fries with beef juice. I do think they've since stopped the practice.

> There was a lawsuit a few years back when vegetarians discovered that McDonald's was flavoring their fries with beef juice.

They weren't “flavoring them with beef juice”, they were frying them in tallow. And AFAIK they didn't stop because of a lawsuit by vegetarians, but because of nutrition (saturated fat) concerns, and they now use other flavorings to attempt to simulate the flavor imparted by tallow:

https://www.wired.com/2014/07/whats-inside-mcdonalds-french-...

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Also Tim Hortons is offering Beyond patties in many of their breakfast sandwiches.

And, in the weirdest product add-on in a while, beyond meat burgers, because when I think of Tim Horton's I think of imitation burgers. They don't even sell real burgers.

They had chicken burgers before and there's those burger breakfast sandwiches

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

> Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it might help them cut down on calories and improve their health image. Which is “less gross” is highly objective. > I wonder what impact it'll have on climate change when McDonalds stops buying real beef. Would be a nice longbet, “ McDonald’s will stop selling beef burgers by 20XY ”. I’d be on the “no” side of that bet.

They will eventually stop selling beef burgers made from real cows. Lab grown meat will replace them. I don't know enough about the current state of lab grown meat to give an estimate for XY, but it seems inevitable to me.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I think they should not call it meat anything. They should just create a new thing, so people can appreciate it for what it is, rather than expect meat and get an uncanny valley effect.

Nobody is confused when they buy this product that it’s animal based meat. The packaging is very clear about what it is. It’s called meat because it tastes and feels like meat. It’s a perfectly cromulent word to use because it describes what the product is.

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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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I'm still fucking mad about that. Frying in beef juice made them taste so much better.

Well, no one wins since they no longer use beef tallow, but do add beef flavoring to the spuds. So we can't eat them and people who liked the tallow-fried ones don't enjoy them as much (?)

The “natural beef flavor” doesn't, AFAIK, have beef in it (except insofar as hydrolyzed milk protein, originating as it does in a cow, is “beef”.) The construction “natural X flavor” in an ingredient list means “flavorings that can legally be described as natural which are intended to simulate X”.
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