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Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by hervature » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #10

I think it is a rather toxic movement that we are continuing to label things that which they are not. "fried plant-based ‘chicken’" it makes no sense at all A lot of it is egged on by the vegan/vegetarians and is the definition of false advertising. I saw "vegan" mince in the meat section the other day. I feel sorry for the elderly or learning impaired who might be accidentally buying soy substitutes when their bodie…

Don't know why you are being down voted. As a vegan, one of my biggest gripes with the recent movement is the marketing of new products and the obsession of replacing meat with vegetables.

To further illustrate your point, imagine trying to replicate carrots using only veal and calling it something like "calf-rots", it absolutely makes no sense. Your issue is primarily with the false representation, my issue is that we're intentionally making it harder to sell vegan/vegetarian alternatives by trying to replicate something unachievable instead of coming up with entirely new products. For example, I highly suspect there's an entire food category like bread that we haven't discovered yet.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #31

stri8ed wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ingredients are listed on the product.

Ah, exactly what I want as a consumer. Believing I'm purchasing one thing when reading the product name, and finding out it is something else entirely when reading the ingredients list (which I rarely do).

A quick Google search for "beyond meat" reveals lots of photos of their packaging. Every single one of them has large, all-caps, bright green "PLANT BASED" on the front of the package. They're not hiding anything, and anyone confused by it probably has themselves to blame.

For example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074YGZ77H/

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by Drakim » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

tempsolution wrote: post #39

_bxg1 wrote: post #2

I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

You will be surprised how much less healthy cheap plant based food can be than meat... Now you get human pesticides (the ones sprayed on plants), GMO and plant pesticides (the one plants have developed against mammals) on top of the low quality crap that was previously called meat.

Meat can be full of antibiotics so I disagree with your assertion that plants have all these extras that meat somehow avoids.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by raws » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

Those plant based protein patties often have too much salt but I just checked and the beyond meat seems reasonable with 390mg sodium and 300mg potassium all while using pea protein which has a pdcaas of 0.78. Quite impressive. If they can achieve the same with the chicken patties it'll be good!

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:01 PM UTC

barkingcat wrote: post #15

SECProto wrote: post #9

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Beyond Meat is fairly widely available in Canada. A&W sells a beyond meat burger, and patties are available in several national grocery chains.

Also Tim Hortons is offering Beyond patties in many of their breakfast sandwiches.

And, in the weirdest product add-on in a while, beyond meat burgers, because when I think of Tim Horton's I think of imitation burgers. They don't even sell real burgers.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by throwanem » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #31

stri8ed wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ingredients are listed on the product.

Ah, exactly what I want as a consumer. Believing I'm purchasing one thing when reading the product name, and finding out it is something else entirely when reading the ingredients list (which I rarely do).

You're concerned enough about what you're feeding yourself to complain about what's on the label, but not concerned enough to find out what's on the label?

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by untog » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #22

taurath wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also they've been completely left out of the vegetarian market other than for snacks.

French fries and soda are vegetarian.

> other than for snacks

If you go to McDonalds and all your friends get a meal, you're not going to be all that satisfied with just fries and soda.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by TeMPOraL » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

Drakim wrote: post #43

tempsolution wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will be surprised how much less healthy cheap plant based food can be than meat... Now you get human pesticides (the ones sprayed on plants), GMO and plant pesticides (the one plants have developed against mammals) on top of the low quality crap that was previously called meat.

Meat can be full of antibiotics so I disagree with your assertion that plants have all these extras that meat somehow avoids.

Also, these animals eat plants with even lower quality standards.

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by VectorLock » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #40

_bxg1 wrote: post #2

I think it's fascinating how all these fast-food chains are jumping on artificial meat. It makes perfect sense: meat is expensive and difficult to work with, so low-cost chains like these have been serving really disgustingly low-quality meat for quite some time now; in some cases it could barely even be called meat. Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it migh…

> Plant-based meat, on the other hand, can be both cheaper and less gross at the same time, and it might help them cut down on calories and improve their health image. Which is “less gross” is highly objective. > I wonder what impact it'll have on climate change when McDonalds stops buying real beef. Would be a nice longbet, “ McDonald’s will stop selling beef burgers by 20XY ”. I’d be on the “no” side of that bet.

For what values of XY?

Re: Beyond Meat and KFC partner to test fried plant-based ‘chicken’

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

goda90 wrote: post #23

impalallama wrote: post #11

I tried a few different varieties of chick'n nuggets, 90% of the taste is just breading and whatever the sauce so its really not a difficult as you'd imagine to have a substitute

Nuggets, patties, and sausages are going to be the first things to reach "perfect" when it comes to replacing meat because so much of their identity is in the processing and other ingredients involved. It'll be the things like a fried chicken breast sandwich that will be a lot harder to replaces because the natural meat structure matters a lot more.

The A&W beyond meat burger stands up as well as it does for the same reasons - all the other sauces they add hides the weirdness, and you just taste burger.