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Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by Jwarder »

drikerf wrote: post #134
Jwarder wrote: post #99

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Funny, but I bounced off of Pipedrive.com pretty quick. Why should I trust a product if they are too afraid to show me meaningful screenshots? They have more detail in the dinky little videos, but I don't want to just sit there for a few minutes just for a chance to see something slightly real. The Wobaka "screenshots" are also obviously fake, but there is enough detail that they still give me a clear idea of what th…

Not sure what you mean? Screenshots are actual screeenshots. They've just been cropped since it would look really odd otherwise :).

The window chrome and the shot with the overlapping windows look bogus. Not in a terrible way, but it is still noticeable.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by GordonS »

johnwheeler wrote: post #126
behringer wrote: post #119

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part of getting people to pay for it is pricing it properly. No business in their right mind would trust a tool that costs 49/mo for 50k users.

Yeah because you know, NOW really is the best time to prepare themselves for being the next Salesforce or Office 365. Don't you think it's a just little premature for that scale of thinking? I mean, they just got the thing posted on HN.

I think there is somewhere in between a startup and Salesforce size - at this pricing, even small businesses are going to be wary.

$49/m is just so obviously underpriced that it rings alarm bells - how could that possibly be sustainable, will it still be around in 6 months?

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by nightski »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #139
uptown wrote: post #79

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So if a firm with 50,000 employees signs up, you'll charge them $49? You should reconsider this pricing model because a client of any considerable size is both able and willing to pay for a product that is financially stable. $49 won't keep the lights on, and the fear of investing time and data into a system that won't survive financially due to poor pricing might scare off some potential customers.

basecamp manages it. They charge a flat fee, no matter how many users: https://basecamp.com/pricing They blogged (alas can't find the link now) they did that deliberately in order not to be beholden to larger customers, they wanted to treat all customers equally.

Couldn't they choose to not be beholden to larger customers regardless of the pricing? That seems like a business choice that is independent of the pricing model.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by sergiomattei »

barrkel wrote: post #28
nickjj wrote: post #17

Looks really nice but I wonder if you went too far with Basecamp's look. The brand colors look so similar that you could get the impression that it's a Basecamp product. It almost looks like you took their background color and changed it by the smallest amount possible just so it wasn't an exact match if you compared the hex colors.

The background colour also looks like this site, Hacker News.

It's a color, they're not exclusive.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by adrianmsmith »

nightski wrote: post #143
adrianmsmith wrote: post #139

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basecamp manages it. They charge a flat fee, no matter how many users: https://basecamp.com/pricing They blogged (alas can't find the link now) they did that deliberately in order not to be beholden to larger customers, they wanted to treat all customers equally.

Couldn't they choose to not be beholden to larger customers regardless of the pricing? That seems like a business choice that is independent of the pricing model.

Alas I can't find the link, it was a really great article, I've just spent about 10 minutes searching for it.

From memory, their logic was that even if you decide to treat all customers equally, if you have one customer with 1k seats paying $30k, and another with 1 seat paying $30, you'll just end up treating the customers differently, it's just human nature, and there's nothing you can really do about that.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by jstsch »

Looks nice! What about self hosting? I’d copy the Gitlab model. Open source community edition, and a quite pricy Enterprise edition that is full of features that only larger companies need (compliance stuff, audit trails, fine grained permissions, etc).

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by jofke »

rrggrr wrote: post #87
bbmario wrote: post #59

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What would you recommend for a mom and pop ecommerce? Trying to find something for a couple of friends, but everything is bloated and complex.

Pipedrive. Its not perfect and there are many situation where I would recommend differently, but it will meet you needs.

Would you be willing to briefly elaborate?

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by paggle »

johnwheeler wrote: post #126
behringer wrote: post #119

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part of getting people to pay for it is pricing it properly. No business in their right mind would trust a tool that costs 49/mo for 50k users.

Yeah because you know, NOW really is the best time to prepare themselves for being the next Salesforce or Office 365. Don't you think it's a just little premature for that scale of thinking? I mean, they just got the thing posted on HN.

It’s not that - it’s that as a 6-person team who is a target customer, I don’t want to get a bunch of my data locked in to a system that’s not priced to sustain the company.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by perk »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #145
nightski wrote: post #143

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Couldn't they choose to not be beholden to larger customers regardless of the pricing? That seems like a business choice that is independent of the pricing model.

Alas I can't find the link, it was a really great article, I've just spent about 10 minutes searching for it. From memory, their logic was that even if you decide to treat all customers equally, if you have one customer with 1k seats paying $30k, and another with 1 seat paying $30, you'll just end up treating the customers differently, it's just human nature, and there's nothing you can really do about that.

Here it is: https://m.signalvnoise.com/why-we-never-sold-basecamp-by-the...

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by behringer »

johnwheeler wrote: post #126
behringer wrote: post #119

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part of getting people to pay for it is pricing it properly. No business in their right mind would trust a tool that costs 49/mo for 50k users.

Yeah because you know, NOW really is the best time to prepare themselves for being the next Salesforce or Office 365. Don't you think it's a just little premature for that scale of thinking? I mean, they just got the thing posted on HN.

It's not premature. It sets expectations. If you can't set expectations for the buyer, they just won't buy.
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