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The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by b212 »

NASA came up with a follow up article and it seems like there's a lot of fire in Amazon currently "making it the most active fire year in that region since 2010".

So looks like it's been worse only 9 years ago and in some stupid articles I read that we lost 20% of Amazon in the last month or so... Amazon apparently has "fire season" every year when fire blasts there for months.

I feel like someone is trying to set up Bolsonaro or maybe the histeria is accidental because this years "fire season" in Amazon is "dry season" for media?

The charts does not look so bad this year, but I suppose 99% people have no idea Amazon burns every year:

https://www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-i...

I mean it's really good we're finally opening our eyes (it might be too late though), but I feel like we're being manipulated big time.

Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by guilhas »

meerita wrote: post #69
guilhas wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You did not read what I wrote. What I said does not go against what NASA is saying there. If anything is a corroboration. Also, how can you say '0 proof', when you asked for government document, and I gave you a link with exactly that, news on government leaked document.

You linked me an article. I demanded an official document, that states that the amazonia must be take down. The article only states plans to build things, not to disapear the forest. Again, people only read the titles and the accuses.

Plan to build things to fend off conservationists.

And the data of increased deforestation is official. And increased deregulation.

And any of these articles sources are more reputable than you insisting that there is no proof of deforestation.

Amazon rainforest destruction increases rapidly as Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro slashes protections https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-rai...

Besides a news articles is what I am whiling look for, you can demand whatever you want. You wouldn't even understand an official document. That's why we have journalists, to investigate. But if you have the time you can google them yourself or follow the sources in the articles.

Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by bsaul »

sprafa wrote: post #64
hannob wrote: post #22

This article completely fails to mention a very important issue: Scientists are worried that the amazon may approach a tipping point after which the ecosystem will completely collapse. The guardian has a better take on the story: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/23/amazon-f...

Sounds likely to me. If you mess around with any ecosystem enough it will change unpredictably

I hope you do realize your comment is about as rational as dark ages priests and peasants blaming villager’s sins for the bad harvesting ( i don’t mean to pick a personnal fight with you in particular, just that your opinion seems very widespread even on this forum, and it worries me)

Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by EugeneOZ »

pvaldes wrote: post #51
EugeneOZ wrote: post #33

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No. This year Russia lost 3 times more forest and nobody cares :) All the noise is just about politics.

A hectare of forest lost in brazil is not equivalent to an hectare lost in Taiga. Biodiversity in taiga is not even remotely close to the biodiversity in rainforests. There are decens of different species of trees, giving fruits, supporting bromeliads, hundreds of orchids, arboreal frogs, monkeys, sloths, macrobats, snails, spiders, scorpions, thousands of different insects, snakes, hundred of birds, raptors, lizards…

Yeah, forest is "frozen void", lol. And each summer it's so "cold" there, that's why forest is in fire every year.

Macron says nothing about "biodiversity", he is talking about oxygen. And forest in Siberia makes the same oxygen (maybe just with small scent of vodka). So in this case is just politics.

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Post by austincheney »

kibibu wrote: post #56
austincheney wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that is accurate. Most of the oxygen produced by the Amazon remains local and is consumed by local fauna. The rest of the world is almost entirely dependent upon local systems and oceanic diatoms for oxygen. There are many other serious environmental concerns at stake, but not oxygen loss.

What? This doesn't sound plausible at all. Do you have a citation for this claim? This paper suggests quite the opposite. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S209592731...

There is a large HN discussion about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20789771

Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by sprafa »

bsaul wrote: post #73
sprafa wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds likely to me. If you mess around with any ecosystem enough it will change unpredictably

I hope you do realize your comment is about as rational as dark ages priests and peasants blaming villager’s sins for the bad harvesting ( i don’t mean to pick a personnal fight with you in particular, just that your opinion seems very widespread even on this forum, and it worries me)

Blah I said “sounds likely”. Is this priests said in the Middle Ages

Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by guilhas »

andrenth wrote: post #70
guilhas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His opponent was jailed with zero proof, in a sham that clear at the time for anyone that understands the justice process. But recently it was clear for everyone with the judge Moro leaked WhatsApp messages. https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national...

Here, take your mortadela sandwich.

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Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by dang »

andrenth wrote: post #70
guilhas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His opponent was jailed with zero proof, in a sham that clear at the time for anyone that understands the justice process. But recently it was clear for everyone with the judge Moro leaked WhatsApp messages. https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national...

Here, take your mortadela sandwich.

This comment breaks the site guidelines. Can you please review them and use HN as intended?

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Re: The Amazon in Brazil is on fire – how bad is it?

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Post by andrenth »

guilhas wrote: post #77
andrenth wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here, take your mortadela sandwich.

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There are multiple pieces of evidence of corruption practiced by Lula. That includes documents (found at Lula’s apartment!), witnesses and circumstantial evidence.

Lula declared having payed R$ 47k for his two-story apartment (in income tax forms!), while a neighbor payed over R$ 900k.

Lula’s three-story apartment is the only in the building to include a private elevator, a request he made himself to the construction company (OAS) owner, who is also in jail. The apartment’s kitchen had enhancements made, payed by OAS by Lula’s request.

There were messages found on OAS’ owner’s and employees’ phones that mention the apartment and other property as belonging to Lula and his wife.

Yet despite all this Lula shamelessly claims he wasn’t related at all to the apartment, that it wasn’t his.

The defense claims he isn’t the owner because there are no documents putting his name on it. Now this is laughable because, because the conviction is for concealment of property. By the very nature of the crime, evidence has to be mostly circumstantial.

People are free to believe whatever their ideological preferences make them feel good. However, claiming this conviction, confirmed by multiple instances of Brazilian justice, unanimously, by a dozen judges, happened with “zero proof” is misleading (to say the least).

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