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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by age_of_stone »

AFascistWorld wrote: post #37

Samsung magically fell to zero market share in China in the span of 2 to 3 years, that's a warning to any company doing business in China, now they are targeting Fedex over the alleged intentional diversion to the US of some Huawei packages, when China is angry at Korea, Lotte and Samsung became sacrificial lambs to the pent-up ire, Fedex and maybe some other American campanies may be the new ones (Amazon narrowly es…

don't you think that Fedex is suspicious for diversion to the US of some Huawei packages when US government is targeting Huawei for "national security"?

what if a Chinese courier company operating in US diverts some Cisco packages to China when China is "blacklisting" Cisco? what do you think US government would do?

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Post by tinco »

wbl wrote: post #189
heavenlyblue wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need... And what exactly is the chance that we will? I mean, Europe needed to settle 2 million refugees from Syria and how exactly did that turn out for everyone?

Other the European racism what was the problem? The US could use a few million people who work hard and believe in democracy.

Mexicans you mean? People from Syria can not be simply compared to people from Mexico, there is nothing racist about Europe's hesitance to accept more Islamic immigrants. To start with a significant part of them most definitely does not believe in the sort of democracy we maintain.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by [deleted] »

wbl wrote: post #189
heavenlyblue wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need... And what exactly is the chance that we will? I mean, Europe needed to settle 2 million refugees from Syria and how exactly did that turn out for everyone?

Other the European racism what was the problem? The US could use a few million people who work hard and believe in democracy.

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by AFascistWorld »

timerol wrote: post #145
carapace wrote: post #136

Does this scare YC China? https://blog.ycombinator.com/yc-china-qi-lu/

Almost certainly yes. But more importantly, they are probably never going to say anything about it publicly, so that they don't face backlash.

Just found out that HN is no longer accessible in China, and now you have to pass reCAPTCHA to log in.

http://ping.chinaz.com/news.ycombinator.com

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by joelx »

tinco wrote: post #202
wbl wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other the European racism what was the problem? The US could use a few million people who work hard and believe in democracy.

Mexicans you mean? People from Syria can not be simply compared to people from Mexico, there is nothing racist about Europe's hesitance to accept more Islamic immigrants. To start with a significant part of them most definitely does not believe in the sort of democracy we maintain.

We can cut off illegal immigration by fixing the problem at the source. Illegal immigrants in many cases are fleeing oppressive regimes and evil dictatorships. We have the largest military on Earth. Let’s use it to help overthrow evil dictatorships in countries like Venezuela and combat drug gangs in Columbia. Let’s give these people free governments. Then they will have no reason to flee and try to emigrate illegally to the United States.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by tatersolid »

lowdose wrote: post #129
toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

As a European citizen I would really like to provide the people of Hong Kong a passport of their choosing. Our Western colonial mistakes are responsible for setting up China with this situation in HK. The best is to acknowledge our mistakes and welcome anybody that feels compromised by a Chinese annexation. In the past the Netherlands has made a promise to the people of South Maluku a republic and independent status…

> China has a righteous claim on HK

Why exactly? Modern China itself was formed from wars of imperial conquest. That these conquests by force happened long ago doesn't make them any “more righteous” than the British conquest of HK over 100 years ago.

By your logic, Germany had a “righteous claim” on Austria, Hungary, and at least parts of Poland in the late 1930s.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by tinco »

joelx wrote: post #205
tinco wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mexicans you mean? People from Syria can not be simply compared to people from Mexico, there is nothing racist about Europe's hesitance to accept more Islamic immigrants. To start with a significant part of them most definitely does not believe in the sort of democracy we maintain.

We can cut off illegal immigration by fixing the problem at the source. Illegal immigrants in many cases are fleeing oppressive regimes and evil dictatorships. We have the largest military on Earth. Let’s use it to help overthrow evil dictatorships in countries like Venezuela and combat drug gangs in Columbia. Let’s give these people free governments. Then they will have no reason to flee and try to emigrate illegall…

If you could defeat a drug gang with military power, then Mexico would have done it by now.

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Post by tptacek »

chrischen wrote: post #91
idlewords wrote: post #36

China is applying a lot of pressure on Hong Kongers right now, including searching devices at the border for any signs of protest photos. The Hong Kong police have requested Octopus card records (the mass transit card that is linked to individual user IDs) and CCTV footage of the airport protests last week. There is evidence of information sharing between Hong Kong police and mainland authorities. The implied threat…

I don’t think border searches like this are out of the norm even by Western standards.

The likelihood of a US border search that turns up protest materials costing you your degree or your next 5 job prospects is essentially 0.

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Post by dang »

jeremysalwen wrote: post #160
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154

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Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments.

Please don't. It breaks the site guidelines and makes the threads significantly worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by dang »

joelx wrote: post #177
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

We need to evacuate Hong Kong and find other ways to fight against China's totalitarian government. HN also needs to very carefully assess potential shill accounts.

Please don't insinuate astroturfing or shillage without evidence. This breaks the site guidelines, for reasons that I have tried to explain at great length for years; https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

Someone else posting an opposing view does not count as evidence. Commenters are overwhelmingly too quick to jump to conclusions about that, and end up poisoning the threads worse because of it.

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