China’s assault on Cathay Pacific • Hacker News Board

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by cbnotfromthere » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:03 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #138

bhhaskin wrote: post #131

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Not sure if this is a coincidence, but your account is less than 65 days old and seem to mainly to post comments that are pro-Beijing. It's entirely possible that you have a bit of a bias in regards to Cathay Pacific.

Wow... Why the gratuitous personal attack? Am I guilty of a thought crime? And how are most of my comments "pro-beijing"? The world is complex and trying to have a measured approach and to understand the different points of view is not being pro or anti anything. HN promotes intellectual curiosity, not narrow-mindedness.

"Why the gratuitous personal attack?"

The attack was about your account, not about your person.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hktruth » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:45 PM UTC

eximius wrote: post #178

hktruth wrote: post #175

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Wow, are you kidding me?! You honestly haven't seen the videos on social media showing protestors assaulting, imprisoning, beating innocent bystanders? Or protestors attacking police officers and throwing molotov cocktails? Not to mention vandalism and destruction of private and public property? Honestly, if you haven't seen any of this, can post many links here for you.

From a recently created account called hktruth, I don't think I trust you as a reliable source.

Because HN group think could destroy careers? Just a sample...

Protestors assault and keep a woman prisoner, screaming abuse at her, holding her by every limb, force her onto her knees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgsjUZO9y4k&feature=youtu.be

Police officer draws gun after being beaten at airport: https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1161299001414578177?s=1...

Protestors attack man, raining down blow after blow: https://twitter.com/sumtingwong2019/status/11584146357598331...

Protestors beat up and tie up man at airport: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1161334705570009089?s=19

Molotov cocktails thrown into police stations: https://twitter.com/Komei365TKO/status/1158359746874707968?s...

Protestors set fires outside police stations: https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/1158340961430331392...

Mob of protestors attack a man and his car: https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1158370249701335040?s=19

Protestors armed, marching down street with weapons. https://twitter.com/JOEYchirps/status/1155065424456900608?s=...

Smashing up traffic lights: https://twitter.com/RyanMcManimie/status/1158582020550717442...

Civilians fight protestors: https://twitter.com/sumtingwong2019/status/11581990454011084...

Protestors block office lift and scuffle with an office worker: https://twitter.com/mibuxiaode/status/1156120064241762304?s=...

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hktruth » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:50 PM UTC

groundlogic wrote: post #173

hktruth wrote: post #171

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@jeremysalwen What is wrong with my comment above? Do you have a problem with my opinion that the CEO resigned due to brand damage and potential loss of business in the market? Or do you have a problem with actual facts, such as the letter the board of directors wrote, the arrest of a pilot for rioting, etc?

You're baiting. I guess you have a playbook to follow.

You fail to address my points. It is you who are baiting.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by heavenlyblue » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:50 PM UTC

joelx wrote: post #177

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154

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Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

We need to evacuate Hong Kong and find other ways to fight against China's totalitarian government. HN also needs to very carefully assess potential shill accounts.

We need... And what exactly is the chance that we will?

I mean, Europe needed to settle 2 million refugees from Syria and how exactly did that turn out for everyone?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by PavlovsCat » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:03 AM UTC

jeremysalwen wrote: post #160

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments.

With the regularity things get flagged off the front page, it's been here for ages.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by xster » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:11 AM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #138

bhhaskin wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if this is a coincidence, but your account is less than 65 days old and seem to mainly to post comments that are pro-Beijing. It's entirely possible that you have a bit of a bias in regards to Cathay Pacific.

Wow... Why the gratuitous personal attack? Am I guilty of a thought crime? And how are most of my comments "pro-beijing"? The world is complex and trying to have a measured approach and to understand the different points of view is not being pro or anti anything. HN promotes intellectual curiosity, not narrow-mindedness.

This is a fascinating stanford prison experiment level social experiment spearheaded into the mainstream by twitter, facebook, youtube. I guess religious wars takes away the burden of petty intellectualism we've been trying so hard to get rid of.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by xster » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:14 AM UTC

cdiamand wrote: post #12

Can anyone recommend a good book on China, or modern geopolitics?

Li Kai Fu - AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley, and the New World Order

https://www.amazon.com/AI-Superpowers-China-Silicon-Valley/d...

Despite unclear connection from the title, it's actually a good contextual background on industry in general.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hker » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:58 AM UTC

It seems like the most dangerous threat to Cathay is the following line from the article:

> China’s airline regulator declared it unsafe

Based on other sources it means that Cathay would be forbidden to enter China's airspace. It entails much more than not being able to land in China: since the airspace of Hong Kong is surrounded by that of China, it is virtually impossible not to enter China's airspace when using the only international airport in Hong Kong. Being forbidden to enter China's airspace means not being able to fly to and from Hong Kong, a death spell for Cathay.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by wbl » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:07 AM UTC

heavenlyblue wrote: post #184

joelx wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to evacuate Hong Kong and find other ways to fight against China's totalitarian government. HN also needs to very carefully assess potential shill accounts.

We need... And what exactly is the chance that we will? I mean, Europe needed to settle 2 million refugees from Syria and how exactly did that turn out for everyone?

Other the European racism what was the problem? The US could use a few million people who work hard and believe in democracy.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by wbl » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:08 AM UTC

groundlogic wrote: post #162

wendyshu wrote: post #159

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The first hit on Google for "Rupert Hogg" gives a HK journalist claiming the story is a canard.

Jack Ma's and SCMP's neutrality is a bit up in the air at the moment, I feel. Last time I looked at that story it was just trying to sow doubt, without any evidence to the contrary. I'm sure you'd inform us in great detail if that had changed.

Jack Ma is a party member SCMP is a mainland propaganda organ.