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Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by njl »

kuzehanka wrote: post #3

Why is DNA testing not a mandatory part of the process? I thought embryonic genetic testing for show-stopping diseases was one of the major selling points of IVF. Would that not immediately set off alarm bells for paternity/maternity mismatch?

There are a multitude of different processes and procedures to deal with different kinds of fertility issues. It isn't uncommon to do a "fresh" transfer after a handful of days. Genetic testing is generally only going to be offered if you do a frozen transfer. Not all embryos are of high enough quality to survive being frozen, and a live transfer might be the only option.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by [deleted] »

Kecelij wrote: post #37
tasogare wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Natural way is the only way. Fuck technology. Why are you not running in your primal forest instead of posting here? Genuine question.

I am aware of my hypocrisy, but I would honestly rather live with primal tribes and not stress about all the shit happening with the world. I mean, what kind of a society will my eventual children grow into? 1984-Big brother world. Jesus. I would rather hunt a bear, then eat it for a week with my tribe, and then dance around the fire while drinking some psychedelic drink in the warm night, seeing all the stars and mi…

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Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by buboard »

tarunupaday wrote: post #38
buboard wrote: post #19

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> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.

>Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. While some laws are created to protect the weakest; a lot of inheritance, marriage and family laws follow their rationale directly from Darwinism.

If there was one in the past, it certainly doesnt exist today. Marriage laws seem to have evolved to laws protecting the mother and ensuring the child can grow sufficiently comfortable.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by tluyben2 »

geggam wrote: post #39
tluyben2 wrote: post #32

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Because they decided to put you here while you had no choice? What does maturity have to do with anything? Many people of whatever age have issues taking care of themselves. Not after being deceased but where would Trump be without getting bailouts from his fathers estate? I guess it depends what you are used to anyway. For me it seems weird as I am born in a country where it is illegal to cut your spouse and kids, f…

Ever thought you werent around to ask about your choice in the matter ?

Sure, which is the point.

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Post by leftyted »

wtdata wrote: post #25
buboard wrote: post #22

The white lies we tell each other to make society work are coming out one at a time. That's why france disallows paternity tests. Then again is society ready to move beyond the nuclear family? i dont think so

Can you clarify your rationale about why France banned paternity tests?

France banned paternity tests for the sake of filation, i.e. to protect the rights of children and to promote stable families.

I differ with the previous poster in that I don't think that many men are unknowingly raising children that are not theirs. I've seen estimates that vary between .6% and 5%.

I do think that a man ought to have the right to know if he's the biological father and I think it's understandable if he wants to leave if he isn't. Yes, familial bonds are important but what kind of family do you have if the lies run that deep?

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Post by krapp »

geggam wrote: post #40
Kecelij wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am aware of my hypocrisy, but I would honestly rather live with primal tribes and not stress about all the shit happening with the world. I mean, what kind of a society will my eventual children grow into? 1984-Big brother world. Jesus. I would rather hunt a bear, then eat it for a week with my tribe, and then dance around the fire while drinking some psychedelic drink in the warm night, seeing all the stars and mi…

You should try that for a week or two. Take an alaskan sabbatical or something. You will likely gain a new appreciation for modern society. That or be bear food.

At the very least they would gain a new appreciation for modern sanitation and medicine when eating that bear meat or drinking some water gives them a parasite or cholera - wait, sorry, we can't have the insight of modern education and technology - when the land has cursed them with an evil spirit.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by oefrha »

jobigoud wrote: post #10

People at 23AndMe could run an anonymized query on their dataset to extract networks of lineages and see highly connected individuals. It would be fascinating to see some people with hundreds of offsprings because they are sperm donors. What if their own children become sperm donors, etc. If two persons are born from sperm donors I imagine they have to check in case they are siblings or closely related.

> run an anonymized query ... see highly connected individuals

Doesn't sound very anonymized to me.

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Post by andrepd »

hirundo wrote: post #31
buboard wrote: post #27

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It would be fun to see seduction outlawed. What would be the punishment for seductors and seductees?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_(tort)

Love it. That short page is absolutely filled with "gems" (for lack of a better word).

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by buboard »

hirundo wrote: post #31
buboard wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be fun to see seduction outlawed. What would be the punishment for seductors and seductees?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_(tort)

It appears the seducer would pay with monetary damages and the seducted would pay with a life in disgrace

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Post by traderjane »

alistairSH wrote: post #17
tluyben2 wrote: post #9

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> But not all countries let you disinherit your children. For me it is very weird that some countries do allow it. I did not ask to be born.

On the flip side, once you reach maturity, why should you have any right to the estate of your deceased relatives?

I believe that rights should exist when we believe they make a nation more prosperous, so this is ultimately an empirical question. Rights are a matter of national design, and not spiritually inalienable qualities. Should a person have the right to keep and bear arms? Data keeps the delineations of design honest.
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