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Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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And this was common workplace discussion!? This seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I don’t know why you’d want to introduce the divisiveness of politics to your workplace.

Generally not out in the open, but on internal groups (message boards) or email chains. Keep in mind the vast majority of people working at Google don't care - the people looking to engage politically are a minority group and found each other on the intranet.

> a minority group and found each other on the intranet.

Interesting. When your company is big enough, the intranet becomes a community that mirrors the Internet in general...

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> It was completely just as Damore basically wrote a dissertation about things that were completely unrelated It was a completely inconsistent. Damore was not fired for debating politically-sensitive HR proposals. Many people were involved in the same conversation, with the same degree of relevance to Google's products. Damore was fired because his proposal was contrary to the majority. --- It's possible to maintain…

If your assertion were true, all people who ever voiced a minority opinion would be fired and that’s clearly not true.

There is some variance in the level of emotional, economic stake between issues.

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No one is preventing you from working.

Political discussions in the work place effectively become denial of service attacks on some co-workers. Since you have to collaborate with others at work to get your job done, anything that "DoS" your co-workers "DoS" you as well. Plus it hurts the value of the equity portion of your compensation, so it a way, it's theft too.

These conversations primarily occur online and are thus easily avoidable.

>Plus it hurts the value of the equity portion of your compensation, so it a way, it's theft too.

I doubt it. The culture has probably done more positive than negative for company value. And even if it hasn't, short-term shareholder value definitely isn't the best measure of long-term success. Calling it "theft" is a big stretch.

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A joke not being funny for one group doesn't mean that it is political. And if people are offended over not understanding a joke they would be offended over not understanding a sentence, meaning that every utterance ever is offensive since there is always people who doesn't speak your language. You are absurd here and only strengthened my view that people who say "everything is political" are just trying to sow disco…

We can see here more politics, as rejecting the interpretation of cultural elements as political is itself a political act of reinforcing the unexamined status quo. Or, to reverse the situation: consider how you'd feel about things if you came into a workplace where everyone was telling jokes that only make sense if you know Chinese culture, and then if you mentioned that you felt left out, told you to stop complaini…

And they I told you to go ahead and expand your horizons by learning about Chinese culture so that you wouldn't feel "left out". Are you seriously arguing this or are you trolling?

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I think the problem is that the US has developed for various reasons (including a lack of discussing politics) a series of echo chambers and people don't connect politically beyond their echo chambers. In urban California, among software developers, you are likely to have one or two political views represented at most, and these represent a small racial and class-based cross-section of urban California. The first of…

Any citations for “Business Liberalism view of the elite GOP members such as the Koch brothers”? Unable to confirm this term

Parent's probably referring to Koch-style libertarianism.

I'm not super familiar with the nuances of their worldview, but it's definitely more business / enterprise-centric than non-Koch libertarianism.

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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Why shouldn’t employees of the company with the goal of organizing all the worlds information debate politics? Everything is political. Especially information.

Because they have work to do. That's why they're there.

When you organize the worlds information, then some amount of politics is a necessary part of the job. The product you are selling is built by political talk.

To give a fairly tame example. Lets say someone googles "Can crystal healing cure cancer". Do you put a box saying no? Do you put put a box saying "according to authority it does not". If you defer to authority to do you defer to different one in different countries? What if they disagree? Maybe we need a list of FUBAR countries?

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> It doesn't matter how fervently you or I hold our beliefs, discussing them is only going to lead to discord. In one of the companies I have worked, I participated in exactly the discussion you mentioned, on many occasions, and no discord was created. All involved remained friendly and effective co-workers. To my knowledge, this freedom of discussion was widespread.

Fair point. Personally, I'm also comfortable disagreeing with people strongly & still being friendly. Unfortunately this trait is not widespread. If you don't think so, I would ask why you think "Don't talk about politics or religion [at work, at the dinner table etc.]" has been such a common maxim for so long? (In case you're not from North America: this is a commonly understood practice in North America.)

I agree with you.

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post #830

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I think the problem is that the US has developed for various reasons (including a lack of discussing politics) a series of echo chambers and people don't connect politically beyond their echo chambers. In urban California, among software developers, you are likely to have one or two political views represented at most, and these represent a small racial and class-based cross-section of urban California. The first of…

Any citations for “Business Liberalism view of the elite GOP members such as the Koch brothers”? Unable to confirm this term

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvc77gn1 for starters.

If we understand Liberalism to be a social philosophy tradition starting with Hobbes, being further developed in various forms through Locke, Rousseau, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, John Rawls, etc. and seeking the liberation of the individual from culture, community, and family then for various the social Liberalism of the democrats (which seeks particularly to liberate people sexually from community judgments and rules) is closely connected to the efforts by the GOP to do the same for people in the business area. They are based on a common view of what it means to be human, a particular view of what freedom is, and so forth.

These assumptions are not really so fundamentally shared outside North America. So in both Sweden and Denmark, society looks a lot more like it did structurally to Aristotle than to Hobbes -- strong family households joining together in local communities to address common issues. Those local communities joining together into larger and larger units to address common needs until you have the overall kingdom. These places are less individualist and more localist.

Growing up in small towns in the US, I can also tell you that this Business Liberalism is most heavily a force politically in the urban centers of the GOP. Rural politicians don't tend to push it in the same way.

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"transgender, lesbian" Wait what

lesbian: woman who is attracted to women transgender: one whose gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth A transgender lesbian, therefore, is a transgender woman ("male-to-female") who is attracted to women.

I didn't know this was really a thing, I've only heard of it on Mad TV when I was younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgcLfohtFbE

Re: Google Doesn’t Want Staff Debating Politics at Work Anymore

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In the EU, freedom from discrimination on the basis of political opinion is considered a fundamental right, and is mentioned as such in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights. Private conversations about politics thus is entirely outside the scope of what the company is allowed to care about. Public comments, for example on global email lists, would be a different topic.

Good luck proving that political differences were why you were fired.

It's also very easy to fire someone in the US compared to many other countries.
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