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Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by Dylan16807 »

LeonM wrote: post #22
edoceo wrote: post #11

I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices

It's not just free/libre/open source software that has this issue. I run an email security SaaS business. It's closed source, but the suite is free of charge to use for personal, non-commercial domains. We get numerous support requests each day of users on the free tier (who are obviously commercial users btw) that DEMAND us to fix all sorts of email problems for them. They regularly threaten that they will write a b…

For comparison's sake, what percent of your total users are from that region?

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by jandrese »

steve19 wrote: post #55
dogecoinbase wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. For the curious, the post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop... And the instigatory thread: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703

Because jwz appears to have a very short fuse and at one point in time one or a group of users on HN didn't agree with him (as best as I can remember), referrals from HN are redirected to an image of a testicle. Here is a wayback machine link to avoid the image: http://web.archive.org/web/20190810115358/https://www.jwz.or...

JWZ has always been opinionated. I remember his epic rants on email client backends and other technical details.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by dillonmckay »

LeonM wrote: post #22
edoceo wrote: post #11

I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices

It's not just free/libre/open source software that has this issue. I run an email security SaaS business. It's closed source, but the suite is free of charge to use for personal, non-commercial domains. We get numerous support requests each day of users on the free tier (who are obviously commercial users btw) that DEMAND us to fix all sorts of email problems for them. They regularly threaten that they will write a b…

So, the people that pay nothing, consider your time worth nothing?

Can you eliminate the free tier, or is that part of funneling to paid users?

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by BeeOnRope »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #41
alanbernstein wrote: post #9

I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?

"Not to be a complete ass" ... but then proceeds to be a complete ass. People love to preface statements that they know are going to be rude. If you need to preface a statement like that, reword it so you're being polite. The bit in question just as easily could have said "Hey, Thanks for releasing this! Do you know when the source code will be available? Thanks for all you're hard work"

I don't think asking the author to comply with the license, or at least enable others to comply with the license, is being a "complete ass".

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by aidenn0 »

dogecoinbase wrote: post #44
guardiangod wrote: post #6

First of all, sorry to hear that WiringPi is deprecated, and I would like to thank the author for all the effort he put into this project. When I read his blog post on his reasoning, I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. Debian maintainers refused to upgrade the app's version and refused to remove the 'For support contact the author's email' notice. The author'…

I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. For the curious, the post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop... And the instigatory thread: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703

I never understood what the big deal is about the warning on the lockscreen. I've seen that before and it didn't bother me.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by IntelMiner »

NikkiA wrote: post #64
steve19 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because jwz appears to have a very short fuse and at one point in time one or a group of users on HN didn't agree with him (as best as I can remember), referrals from HN are redirected to an image of a testicle. Here is a wayback machine link to avoid the image: http://web.archive.org/web/20190810115358/https://www.jwz.or...

> an image of a testical. It's a 'hairy egg', if you see a testicle that's on you.

The intent is pretty blatant

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by aidenn0 »

BeeOnRope wrote: post #74
ShakataGaNai wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Not to be a complete ass" ... but then proceeds to be a complete ass. People love to preface statements that they know are going to be rude. If you need to preface a statement like that, reword it so you're being polite. The bit in question just as easily could have said "Hey, Thanks for releasing this! Do you know when the source code will be available? Thanks for all you're hard work"

I don't think asking the author to comply with the license, or at least enable others to comply with the license, is being a "complete ass".

Aside from whether or not he was being an ass, he was incorrect. The license are rights the author grants other people. The author can release binaries without sources or under any license they desire; just because they also release it under the LGPL does not compel them to provide sources when they distribute it.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by m-p-3 »

coleifer wrote: post #51

I haven't used this library but I maintain a couple moderately well-used python libraries and completely sympathize with these frustrations. The absolute worst was a guy who asked for all sorts of changes then, when I had made it clear I was going a different direction, he tried to start a public shaming on Twitter, this site, Reddit, and even the Wikipedia page (since removed at my own request). It was un-believable…

Seriously..

If you ask nicely, argue your situation constructively and the developer still consider the best path isn't what you described, just fork it or pay someone to do the legwork if it's that critical to your mission, jeez..

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by x0x0 »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #40
hombre_fatal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, it's just an uncharitable pot shot when the article is perfectly relatable when taken at face value. I'd probably even add your mentality, ubiquitous on HN, to his list. People come out of the woodwork to shit on others. It seems even moreso when it's just a hobby project. You're basically taking one last snipe at him while he exits the theater. For what? Is this what you thought the world needed more of?

Ages ago, I wrote and maintained some Windows open source stuff. It wasn't GPL, but it was "here's the source code, and a binary version, have fun!". I had a little niche of a certain type of tool in the Windows world, if you searched for how to do a specific thing, my tools would show up. Most of it included my real name and email address in the executable and DLLs details tab, as well as the source code. I was the…

This was so so my experience.

The people that contacted me were, in the majority, some of the most entitled assholes.

I quit reading the email address associated w/ my open source project, and one user tracked down my (then) work email to demand support!

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by Accujack »

Creating or running an open source project can be a thankless task, made worse by the sheer number of entitled jerks who can find you and your project via the Internet.

If you're selling software for pay, at least there's money in your pocket to compensate you for having to deal with the various types of a*oles in the human race, but without that it can rapidly become a chore to maintain even a small or niche package. That's why lots of software becomes orphaned.

I salute anyone who has ever had the courage to try to write, maintain, or organize development for open source software.

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