I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices
WiringPi – deprecated
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Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The article", written by a person offended by someone else getting richer from their code; whilst seemingly not breaking any licenses.
So, it's just an uncharitable pot shot when the article is perfectly relatable when taken at face value. I'd probably even add your mentality, ubiquitous on HN, to his list. People come out of the woodwork to shit on others. It seems even moreso when it's just a hobby project. You're basically taking one last snipe at him while he exits the theater. For what? Is this what you thought the world needed more of?
I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this. The reason these projects got popular in the first place were often that the author didn't care for fame, glory or money; they just wanted to solve a problem.
And well, to be clear: most of us prefer to use an open source library, over a commercial library.
What I'm a bit upset over here is the bait and switch here.
Using the open source aspect of your library to get widely spread, but also somehow expecting to make money off this, somehow - this doesn't make sense.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#13I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?
Assuming the project stands alone (I can't check right now), the author can release it however they want. The license governs how other people use it, not the author and copyright owner.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#14I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?
It's a subtle thing for sure. Just because he prefaces it with "not to be an ass" doesn't justify being an ass.
Overall, it's still phrased in a demanding way.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#15I read this and still don’t understand what is the issue behind the drama. If you don’t want to support it, then don’t; if someone stole your public domain work, contact the EFF or more realistically just understand it’s cost of doing business.
We all get tired at some point and move on, you don’t owe anyone anything. And thanks for the library!
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, it's just an uncharitable pot shot when the article is perfectly relatable when taken at face value. I'd probably even add your mentality, ubiquitous on HN, to his list. People come out of the woodwork to shit on others. It seems even moreso when it's just a hobby project. You're basically taking one last snipe at him while he exits the theater. For what? Is this what you thought the world needed more of?
I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this. The reason these projects got popular in the first place were often that the author didn't care for fame, glory or money; they just wanted to solve a problem. And well, to be clear: most of us prefer to use an open source library, over a commercial library. What I'm a bit upset over here is the bait and switch here.…
If you find that annoying then maybe, just maybe you have a small idea how annoyed the author is from people literally abusing his work beyond the scope it was offered and causing all sorts of grief and abuse from people demanding support for a product that he never sold and never even scoped as supported.
Whilst many are great users, who use as intended, just reading his post in full outlines just some of the instances and issues that have caused what was a passion and a hobby project to become a source of abuse and mental anguish. Nobody should have to endure that, more so when they did nothing wrong.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#17I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?
IANAL, but fundamentally I view licenses as grants of rights to non-copyright holders. As the (I think) sole copyright holder on the WiringPi code, the author is morally, if not legally (again, IANAL) entitled to do whatever the hell they want, irrespective of any licenses the code has been released under.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#18I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices
What’s forcing you to even respond, let alone provide support?
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#19I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?
The meaning of "last straw" is that each issue on its own is just a small hinderance, but at some point the sum becomes too great, and one of those small hinderances just happens to be the last straw.
Re: WiringPi – deprecated
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this. The reason these projects got popular in the first place were often that the author didn't care for fame, glory or money; they just wanted to solve a problem. And well, to be clear: most of us prefer to use an open source library, over a commercial library. What I'm a bit upset over here is the bait and switch here.…
If you find that annoying then maybe, just maybe you have a small idea how annoyed the author is from people literally abusing his work beyond the scope it was offered and causing all sorts of grief and abuse from people demanding support for a product that he never sold and never even scoped as supported. Whilst many are great users, who use as intended, just reading his post in full outlines just some of the instan…
If the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really.
Example: If you license something under e.g. the MIT license, a company ends up using it correctly, and you feel bad about the transaction - sorry, that's on you.
I really don't get why this is controversial. You license your code under a license for a reason.