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Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ShakataGaNai »

alanbernstein wrote: post #9

I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?

"Not to be a complete ass" ... but then proceeds to be a complete ass. People love to preface statements that they know are going to be rude.

If you need to preface a statement like that, reword it so you're being polite. The bit in question just as easily could have said "Hey, Thanks for releasing this! Do you know when the source code will be available? Thanks for all you're hard work"

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by zmix »

LeonM wrote: post #22
edoceo wrote: post #11

I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices

It's not just free/libre/open source software that has this issue. I run an email security SaaS business. It's closed source, but the suite is free of charge to use for personal, non-commercial domains. We get numerous support requests each day of users on the free tier (who are obviously commercial users btw) that DEMAND us to fix all sorts of email problems for them. They regularly threaten that they will write a b…

> Interesting observation: This behavior seems to be culture dependent. I'd say about 90% of our over-demanding free-tier users are from the same region on the planet.

I wonder where this is...?!

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ziddoap »

groundlogic wrote: post #36
ziddoap wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hypothetical. > I never intended for wiringPi to be statically linked either – and thanks to the incompetence of many people who have done just this, I’ve had over 10,000 emails from people who upgraded their Pi and found that code stopped working because they were reliant on a system (typically some java/javascript/node or home automation or UPS thing) which had statically linked an older version My point i…

You seem to have commented to the wrong comment of mine.

Were you not the one who said

groundlogic 52 minutes ago | parent | flag | favorite | on: WiringPi – deprecated

I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this

Followed with

but also somehow expecting to make money off this

To which I replied

The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation.

To which you replied

What's your point?

And I said that my point was that this isn't about money? Or am I just going crazy?

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by dogecoinbase »

guardiangod wrote: post #6

First of all, sorry to hear that WiringPi is deprecated, and I would like to thank the author for all the effort he put into this project. When I read his blog post on his reasoning, I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. Debian maintainers refused to upgrade the app's version and refused to remove the 'For support contact the author's email' notice. The author'…

I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers.

For the curious, the post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop...

And the instigatory thread: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by groundlogic »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #35
groundlogic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..so, in a hyphothetical case, let's say "you" published some code under the MIT license. You then got 10k emails. What's your point? What do you want to say?

What's your point? What do you want to say? The point, and the reason I've downvoted you, is that Gordon clearly spelled out that his frustration is not about money. Gordon's clearly articulated frustration is in having to deal with demanding and abusive users. By pursuing the argument that Gordon's angry about making an insufficient amount of money you're perpetuating a strawman argument.

You just replied to a hypothetical case, with a concrete case. This makes no sense.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ziddoap »

groundlogic wrote: post #39
guardiangod wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, regardless of whether the author chooses GPL or MIT, he should not be subjected to abusive 'support requests'. No one deserved to be verbally abuse from total strangers for things beyond his control. Yes, the author could simply ignore the requests. But we ought to aim higher than 'silently accept the harassment and do nothing,' for the betterment of everyone.

I fully agree with you.

>If the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really.

It seems like you only think the author has a right to be frustrated if the license is used in an illegal way, not if they license is followed but the users are abusive.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by groundlogic »

ziddoap wrote: post #43
groundlogic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have commented to the wrong comment of mine.

Were you not the one who said groundlogic 52 minutes ago | parent | flag | favorite | on: WiringPi – deprecated I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this Followed with but also somehow expecting to make money off this To which I replied The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation. To which you replied What's your point? And I sai…

How about replying in the proper part of the thread instead of a randomly selected part, then?

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by CDSlice »

dogecoinbase wrote: post #44
guardiangod wrote: post #6

First of all, sorry to hear that WiringPi is deprecated, and I would like to thank the author for all the effort he put into this project. When I read his blog post on his reasoning, I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. Debian maintainers refused to upgrade the app's version and refused to remove the 'For support contact the author's email' notice. The author'…

I can't help but be reminded of the feud between xscreensaver's author and Debian maintainers. For the curious, the post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop... And the instigatory thread: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703

Careful, that first link redirects you to a NSFW image coming from HN

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by flyinglizard »

cryptonector wrote: post #29
flyinglizard wrote: post #15

I read this and still don’t understand what is the issue behind the drama. If you don’t want to support it, then don’t; if someone stole your public domain work, contact the EFF or more realistically just understand it’s cost of doing business. We all get tired at some point and move on, you don’t owe anyone anything. And thanks for the library!

It's not "public domain work". The "drama" is that the community abused the author, so the author quit providing free labor to the community.

Would he still be “abused” if he refrained from opening his inbox? Or were there protesters outside his door?

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by john_moscow »

I have used WiringPi along my side of work and I am thankful to the author for creating and maintaining it, but honestly I don't understand the motivation behind offering a free product with email support.

There are many different people on the Internet with different cultural backgrounds, experience levels and work ethic and unfortunately it's not realistic to expect each of your users to share the same values as you do. Anecdotally, charging a license fee for your library/tool is a very good way to filter out 90% of the unprofessional behavior.

Also if you rely on your free product to promote your consulting business, I would highly recommend creating a community forum where users can advice each other, and maybe offering paid support on top of that. Also using an open-source helpdesk app to semi-automatically send canned replies to commonly repeating inquiries saves a ton of time and keeps the assholes off your back, as long as the canned replies are reasonable and polite.

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