WiringPi – deprecated • Hacker News Board

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ddlsmurf » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

alanbernstein wrote: post #9

I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?

Their request implies a deadline where non exists, and was inconsiderate to the charity they were benefiting from. Also their use (static linking) would have made one more product that Author would get emails about when said product wasn't rebuilt to support newer boards. Basically they're at best an entitled asshole, at worst an entitled asshole leeching profit.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by LeonM » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #11

I also make free software. It's a battle dealing with folks who want both free code AND free work! Making code GPL is both a blessing a curse. Tales lakie this make me stop and double-check my choices

It's not just free/libre/open source software that has this issue.

I run an email security SaaS business. It's closed source, but the suite is free of charge to use for personal, non-commercial domains.

We get numerous support requests each day of users on the free tier (who are obviously commercial users btw) that DEMAND us to fix all sorts of email problems for them. They regularly threaten that they will write a bad review on $_SOCIAL_NETWORK if we don't fix their email delivery issues for free. It's frustrating and also exhausting to try to stay professional towards these 'customers'.

Interesting observation: This behavior seems to be culture dependent. I'd say about 90% of our over-demanding free-tier users are from the same region on the planet.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ddlsmurf » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:58 PM UTC

If you read this Gordon, thank you for all you did for so long, it was way more generous than we deserved. I'm sorry for how unappreciative it all turned out, I appreciated your work and you're right you definitely should not put up with that shit. Best of luck =)

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by dade_ » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:59 PM UTC

Open source gets inundated by the unwashed masses. I am so glad they taught our idiots in the office how to code, but the twits can't even figure out an a simple Excel formula.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by cryptonector » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

alanbernstein wrote: post #9

I can empathize with most of this, but I can't say I understand the "last straw" bit. How is there anything wrong with DanielK's request?

The owner of the copyrights is under no obligation to release their code just because they've previously released earlier versions under the GPL.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by cannonedhamster » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

The author owes nobody anything. He's already done enough. If you've given away something for free, don't expect support or anything free in the future. It's literally like taking a gift from someone and then complaining that it doesn't have enough for you to act indignant to people who give things away for free. Don't like it? Don't use it or improve it and contribute back. Want more? Pay them to build it and add it to what's available for everyone as a way to say thanks.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by ziddoap » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:03 PM UTC

groundlogic wrote: post #20

Zenst wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you find that annoying then maybe, just maybe you have a small idea how annoyed the author is from people literally abusing his work beyond the scope it was offered and causing all sorts of grief and abuse from people demanding support for a product that he never sold and never even scoped as supported. Whilst many are great users, who use as intended, just reading his post in full outlines just some of the instan…

If the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really. Example: If you license something under e.g. the MIT license, a company ends up using it correctly, and you feel bad about the transaction - sorry, that's on you. I really don't get why this is controversial. You license your code under a license for a reason.

Produce something of value, for free.

Then, when you start getting 10,000+ e-mails shitting on you for not also doing XYZ for free, because how dare you not, I'll take your opinion with a more open mind.

The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:03 PM UTC

ddlsmurf wrote: post #23

If you read this Gordon, thank you for all you did for so long, it was way more generous than we deserved. I'm sorry for how unappreciative it all turned out, I appreciated your work and you're right you definitely should not put up with that shit. Best of luck =)

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Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by cryptonector » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

flyinglizard wrote: post #15

I read this and still don’t understand what is the issue behind the drama. If you don’t want to support it, then don’t; if someone stole your public domain work, contact the EFF or more realistically just understand it’s cost of doing business. We all get tired at some point and move on, you don’t owe anyone anything. And thanks for the library!

It's not "public domain work". The "drama" is that the community abused the author, so the author quit providing free labor to the community.

Re: WiringPi – deprecated

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Post by groundlogic » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 11:08 PM UTC

ziddoap wrote: post #27

groundlogic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really. Example: If you license something under e.g. the MIT license, a company ends up using it correctly, and you feel bad about the transaction - sorry, that's on you. I really don't get why this is controversial. You license your code under a license for a reason.

Produce something of value, for free. Then, when you start getting 10,000+ e-mails shitting on you for not also doing XYZ for free, because how dare you not, I'll take your opinion with a more open mind. The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation.

..so, in a hyphothetical case, let's say "you" published some code under the MIT license. You then got 10k emails.

What's your point? What do you want to say?