China’s assault on Cathay Pacific • Hacker News Board

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by adventured » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

theseadroid wrote: post #29

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

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If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

HK allows dual citizenship and there are around 300,000 Canadians living in HK right now[1]. Not sure about other nationalities. And I think HK passport can go to many countries visa free or visa on arrival[2]. So in a sense many protesters do have a plan b if needed. 1. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/unrest-in-hong-kong-fue... 2. https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/service/travel_document/visa_fre...

There are ~85,000 Americans living in HK.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #13

erikpukinskis wrote: post #7

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No disagreements with your base assessment, but how did the west create this situation? China has a longer continuous timeline than the western powers by far. Are the current political moires there not another node on that chain?

I won't say "the west" because I think it's really "capitalism", but Global capitalism created this situation by deepening trade relationships with China to the point that we're all dependent on them to the point that there's very little leverage over their international behaviour. Look at how the PRC is behaving against Canada right now. Illegal torture-like detention of two of innocent Canadian citizens in China, i…

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by llIIlIlIllIIlIl » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

> When the Chinese aviation authority, absurdly, accused the airline of imperilling safety because its employees had joined the protests, Cathay dumped its chief executive.

Question: Is there even remotely a legitimate security concern here? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, the unrest spirals out of control into a state of complete desperation. The HK government and the CCP refuse to compromise on any of the five demands, and the protestors refuse to stand down.

Let's say politically polarized HK pilots and cabin crew are flying a plane full of mainlanders.

Would you be 100% comfortable being a passenger on that plane as a mainlander?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

theseadroid wrote: post #29

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

HK allows dual citizenship and there are around 300,000 Canadians living in HK right now[1]. Not sure about other nationalities. And I think HK passport can go to many countries visa free or visa on arrival[2]. So in a sense many protesters do have a plan b if needed. 1. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/unrest-in-hong-kong-fue... 2. https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/service/travel_document/visa_fre...

The protesters are more working class than the richer HKers with multiple passports. Sure, they can leave, but it is much harder for them to establish themselves in a new country. They can buy a plane ticket, but then what?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by sremani » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

cdiamand wrote: post #25

silentmajority1 wrote: post #18

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Not trolling, just read 1984 or animal farm. It’s just the same story

Thanks, I've read those and they're great, but I'm looking for something that's less of an analogy. Something that puts China in the context of modern geopolitics. Preferably helping me understand their development in the last century.

For pure Geopolitics - Peter Zeihan has been more right than the made for tv muppet boy Ian Bremmer.

Peter Zeihan is good. Geopolitical Futures is good but they have some duds in their prediction but good deeper level analysis. Stratfor has kind of become shallow but still good.

edit: On YouTube Caspian Report is probably a better production about Geopolitics.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by idlewords » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

China is applying a lot of pressure on Hong Kongers right now, including searching devices at the border for any signs of protest photos. The Hong Kong police have requested Octopus card records (the mass transit card that is linked to individual user IDs) and CCTV footage of the airport protests last week. There is evidence of information sharing between Hong Kong police and mainland authorities.

The implied threat is that anyone who participates in protests risks their livelihood and prospects of future education, and that major companies in Hong Kong will not be allowed to remain apolitical, but must choose sides.

These pressure tactics are intended to break the Hong Kong protests, and while taken very seriously by Hong Kongers, have so far failed to achieve that aim.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by AFascistWorld » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:43 PM UTC

Samsung magically fell to zero market share in China in the span of 2 to 3 years, that's a warning to any company doing business in China, now they are targeting Fedex over the alleged intentional diversion to the US of some Huawei packages, when China is angry at Korea, Lotte and Samsung became sacrificial lambs to the pent-up ire, Fedex and maybe some other American campanies may be the new ones (Amazon narrowly escaped the witchhunt of anti-China items since they exited China themself just months ago).

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by lukewrites » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:44 PM UTC

cdiamand wrote: post #12

Can anyone recommend a good book on China, or modern geopolitics?

The Hundred Year Marathon is probably the best of the bunch. https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Marathon-Strategy-Replac...

Richard McGregor's work on the CCP is also very good and worth reading.

Orville Schell's Wealth And Power is also quite good for politics/history.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by cltsang » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:44 PM UTC

cdiamand wrote: post #25

silentmajority1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, just read 1984 or animal farm. It’s just the same story

Thanks, I've read those and they're great, but I'm looking for something that's less of an analogy. Something that puts China in the context of modern geopolitics. Preferably helping me understand their development in the last century.