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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by Varcht »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #13
erikpukinskis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No disagreements with your base assessment, but how did the west create this situation? China has a longer continuous timeline than the western powers by far. Are the current political moires there not another node on that chain?

I won't say "the west" because I think it's really "capitalism", but Global capitalism created this situation by deepening trade relationships with China to the point that we're all dependent on them to the point that there's very little leverage over their international behaviour. Look at how the PRC is behaving against Canada right now. Illegal torture-like detention of two of innocent Canadian citizens in China, i…

I think there was some hope that capitalism would bring about democracy. It hasn't quite worked out (yet?).

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Post by codesushi42 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
simonh wrote: post #2

>Chinese inspectors have started screening the phones of Cathay crew for anti-Beijing material. If that doesn't persuade ordinary Hong Kongers to love and trust the mainland authorities, I don't know what will.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

Many Hong Kong residents already fled for Canada years, and even decades ago before the official handover to China.

This whole situation has been a long time in the making.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by chapium »

devoply wrote: post #4

I have said it before but all of this is pretty classic fascist behavior where loyalty to the corporate state is demanded without question. This is for all serving purposes a monster that the West created. I just worry about what this looks like going forward, where we have this huge massive superpower which acts this way and can't be questioned.

China created China. The west is an influencer but to say it drives the direction of that country is misplaced and not accounting for how much power china has domestically.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by cmoscoe »

samstave wrote: post #11

They should make a backup of the phone and then reset it to factory defaults then restore the backup once out of the country. Does the chinese gov have backdoor access to gmail/gdrive?

This can work for travellers, but seems impractical for crew going back and forth many times each day.

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Post by cdiamand »

silentmajority1 wrote: post #18
cdiamand wrote: post #12

Can anyone recommend a good book on China, or modern geopolitics?

Not trolling, just read 1984 or animal farm. It’s just the same story

Thanks, I've read those and they're great, but I'm looking for something that's less of an analogy. Something that puts China in the context of modern geopolitics. Preferably helping me understand their development in the last century.

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Post by johnzim »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
simonh wrote: post #2

>Chinese inspectors have started screening the phones of Cathay crew for anti-Beijing material. If that doesn't persuade ordinary Hong Kongers to love and trust the mainland authorities, I don't know what will.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

In the early 90s many countries started opening up pathways for HK citizens fearing this - there was a lot of talk of "Brain Drain" in HK.

Canada in particular did a great job of encouraging emigration.

These days it's a little harder. The classic "HK passport" is the BNO - British Nationality Overseas which doesn't give you right of abode in the UK because racism.

Asylum is also extremely difficult to achieve - you'd have to have been already targeted and by that point there's already a risk of being disappeared extra-judicially.

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Post by wbl »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #7
devoply wrote: post #4

I have said it before but all of this is pretty classic fascist behavior where loyalty to the corporate state is demanded without question. This is for all serving purposes a monster that the West created. I just worry about what this looks like going forward, where we have this huge massive superpower which acts this way and can't be questioned.

No disagreements with your base assessment, but how did the west create this situation? China has a longer continuous timeline than the western powers by far. Are the current political moires there not another node on that chain?

1911 was not that long ago, not was 1638. Going beyond that is dubious. It's like if Italy claimed to be 2,839 years old because of Rome or the modern Turkish state claiming continuity with Byzantium.

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Post by dragonsh »

It's sad to see a company suffer the cost of nationalism. This is what happens when nationalism trumps human to human connections.

Protest in Hong Kong has descended into nationalism and sovereignty issue for 1.4 billion people. Majority wins even though there is some protection guaranteed in most nation and there are plenty of examples in recent days where majority wins. In social media it's majority wins, minority is always relegated to corner.

I hope it resolves amicably.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by theseadroid »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
simonh wrote: post #2

>Chinese inspectors have started screening the phones of Cathay crew for anti-Beijing material. If that doesn't persuade ordinary Hong Kongers to love and trust the mainland authorities, I don't know what will.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

HK allows dual citizenship and there are around 300,000 Canadians living in HK right now[1]. Not sure about other nationalities. And I think HK passport can go to many countries visa free or visa on arrival[2]. So in a sense many protesters do have a plan b if needed.

1. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/unrest-in-hong-kong-fue...

2. https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/service/travel_document/visa_fre...

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by parliament32 »

nh wrote: post #9
ra7 wrote: post #3

https://outline.com/NG6tPU

How does outline work? how do they get around the login feature

If they told you that, the target sites would find a way to block it. Obscurity is just another weapon in this advertising-and-bloat-blocking arms race.
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