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Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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Similarly, there is a vegetable known as the heart-of-the-palm, or otherwise known as millionaire's cabbage, which can be harvested from a fully grown coconut tree, but which will kill the tree once harvested.

"Millionaire's cabbage?" That's funny. Go to Brazil, heart-of-palm is in basically every salad bar anywhere, as common as lettuce and tomatoes. Just a normal and normal-priced vegetable, very mild flavor. A lot of vegetables kill the plant that produces them... and the heart-of-palm that is canned and sold is produced from farmed palms that aren't coconut palms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_palm

I did some extra research because I find this sort of HN style dismissivness extremely annoying.

Millionaire's cabbage seems to refer to Millionaire's salad which seems to be specific to the use of Deckenia nobilis, which are a protected species due to illegal over-harvesting. So the assertion that the term "millionaires cabbage" is funny because heart of palm is common in brazil seems disingenuous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deckenia_nobilis

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #11

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Yeah, that's why I don't buy fish.

Maybe I'm just falling victim to corporate propaganda, but I'm pretty sure wild (Alaskan) salmon is truly sustainably fished, as are sardines and anchovies

There are good ways to check:

US: https://www.seafoodwatch.org/

UK: https://www.mcsuk.org/goodfishguide/search

Both have mobile apps I believe.

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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You're ahead of the curve, soon nobody will be able to.

Lobster population is actually exploding as a result of global warming. Real beef hamburgers are the food we will probably have to say goodbye to first.

Where is lobster population increasing due to warming?

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #60

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> I tried caviar once. It didn't taste like much, and I didn't see the point. Caviar's similar to coffee or olives -- strong taste, deeply complex, some people love the complexity and others find it too off-putting. I personally find it delicious and unique. I've never heard anyone say it "didn't taste like much" though -- usually more of a love-it-or-hate-it thing. Also why it's eaten in small amounts, since it's so…

>> Also why it's eaten in small amounts, since it's so strong. Fact check- It's eaten in small amounts because it's extremely expensive at this point due to people realizing the difficulty in producing it. If you look back to the heyday of caviar consumption (turn of last century and earlier), there were recipes that would call for as much a cup of caviar per serving. Tastes will always be personal, but the "strong f…

Wow, a cup per serving? That must have been a very different type of caviar? With modern caviar commonly sold today, I feel like the salt content alone would make that impossible, beyond just the taste. Tody it would be like eating a cup of canned and salted anchovies instead of just a couple in your caesar salad... it just doesn't make sense no matter what your personal preferences are. Or like eating an entire jar of capers.

Or maybe there are other types I'm not aware of? When I'm talking about the strong taste, I'm talking about these types for example:

https://www.petrossian.com/blog/caviar-info/understanding-ca...

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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"Millionaire's cabbage?" That's funny. Go to Brazil, heart-of-palm is in basically every salad bar anywhere, as common as lettuce and tomatoes. Just a normal and normal-priced vegetable, very mild flavor. A lot of vegetables kill the plant that produces them... and the heart-of-palm that is canned and sold is produced from farmed palms that aren't coconut palms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_palm

I did some extra research because I find this sort of HN style dismissivness extremely annoying. Millionaire's cabbage seems to refer to Millionaire's salad which seems to be specific to the use of Deckenia nobilis, which are a protected species due to illegal over-harvesting. So the assertion that the term "millionaires cabbage" is funny because heart of palm is common in brazil seems disingenuous. https://en.wikipe…

or perhaps they'd never heard of the term before (as I hadn't), and didn't know about the distinction, as the previous post didn't make that explicit, and they didn't bother to do the research you did. Not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion that the comment was disingenuous.

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #73

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Lobster population is actually exploding as a result of global warming. Real beef hamburgers are the food we will probably have to say goodbye to first.

Where is lobster population increasing due to warming?

Where they catch them?

https://qz.com/506376/lobsters-2/

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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I enjoy beluga caviar - very expensive for what it is though. A much cheaper alternatve is (homemade) black olive tapenade - almost as good for similar usages, and far more sustainable. But I suspect the consumption of caviar is more about signalling than actual taste anyway.

That's like saying that Trabant is a much cheaper alternative to Bentley. Technically it is... but not quite. Edit: I don't know how to be any more clearer here, but "Olive tapenade as a beluga caviar alternative" is straight from the /shit-the-hn-says department, it's beyond ridiculous. "Ketchup as a San Marzano tomato alternative."

The only thing ridiculous here is the level of snobbery people will go out of their way to express without any prompting.

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #10

I enjoy beluga caviar - very expensive for what it is though. A much cheaper alternatve is (homemade) black olive tapenade - almost as good for similar usages, and far more sustainable. But I suspect the consumption of caviar is more about signalling than actual taste anyway.

That's like saying that Trabant is a much cheaper alternative to Bentley. Technically it is... but not quite. Edit: I don't know how to be any more clearer here, but "Olive tapenade as a beluga caviar alternative" is straight from the /shit-the-hn-says department, it's beyond ridiculous. "Ketchup as a San Marzano tomato alternative."

Looks like I was spot on with the signalling analysis.

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #60

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>> Also why it's eaten in small amounts, since it's so strong. Fact check- It's eaten in small amounts because it's extremely expensive at this point due to people realizing the difficulty in producing it. If you look back to the heyday of caviar consumption (turn of last century and earlier), there were recipes that would call for as much a cup of caviar per serving. Tastes will always be personal, but the "strong f…

Wow, a cup per serving? That must have been a very different type of caviar? With modern caviar commonly sold today, I feel like the salt content alone would make that impossible, beyond just the taste. Tody it would be like eating a cup of canned and salted anchovies instead of just a couple in your caesar salad... it just doesn't make sense no matter what your personal preferences are. Or like eating an entire jar…

As with most foods, salt content varies with intended shelf life and processing method for storage, because salt remains humanity's oldest and most commonly used preservative.

https://caspianmonarque.com/caviar-processing-methods/

Re: Caviar was a free bar snack

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post #10

I enjoy beluga caviar - very expensive for what it is though. A much cheaper alternatve is (homemade) black olive tapenade - almost as good for similar usages, and far more sustainable. But I suspect the consumption of caviar is more about signalling than actual taste anyway.

I'd much prefer tapenade any day regardless of price, though I did grow up eating it.
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