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Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by Tycho » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 10:05 PM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #238

count wrote: post #192

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Does it make a difference?

Yes, because my claim was that closing apps is for experts only, just as uninstalling apps.

But users can still see that an app is open because of its dock icon indicator, and also when they close the window, the application's menu is still visible in the menubar until they enter another app. So that helps.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by VeXocide » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 10:11 PM UTC

borism wrote: post #5

pclark wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is the .app an abomination of a UI? Why does Apple now have three different window control styles? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20635/Screenshots/r3da.png Why are there back buttons ("like a browser") but you can't click hold to get the contextual drop down? The navigation (Featured, Top Charts, etc) are so far away from the other controls (Back and Forward) its insanely awkward to use. It feels kind of .…

because iTunes is the most hideous part of Apple experience. luckily it's only needed for music... ...oh wait

On OS X it's pretty easy to fix, just run

  defaults write com.apple.iTunes full-window -1

in the terminal.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 10:18 PM UTC

preek wrote: post #95

microtonal wrote: post #66

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I'd pay nothing, and host it on GitHub. In fact I, and many others do.

The OP said "Let's say I wan't to host it myself". So his pricing is right. And the new appstore doesn't stop anyone from hosting their OSS on github - even for Macs. The appstore is for the average user; github is for the better than average programmer.

D'oh, I read wan't as don't want because of the superfluous '.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by modeless » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:02 PM UTC

pclark wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is the .app an abomination of a UI? Why does Apple now have three different window control styles? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20635/Screenshots/r3da.png Why are there back buttons ("like a browser") but you can't click hold to get the contextual drop down? The navigation (Featured, Top Charts, etc) are so far away from the other controls (Back and Forward) its insanely awkward to use. It feels kind of .…

Just be thankful that they fixed app installation from "download .dmg, wait for it to check and mount, open it, open applications folder, drag app to applications folder, drag app from applications folder to dock, unmount .dmg, move .dmg to trash, open app, click through security warning" to "click buy, wait for download, open app".

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by cubicle67 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:07 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #197

tommi wrote: post #144

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I highly disagree. Native apps can provide way more better integration to your desktop and therefore improve the user experience. E.g. showing a consistent (growl) popup for tweets is not possible as far as i know from the web version. And that's just a very simplified example.

(Off-topic rant) Yes, because it's vitally fucking important to interrupt my workflow everytime there's a new "Shit My Dad Says". God, I hate Growl sometimes.

System Preferences > Growl > Applications

untick the 'enabled' option for anything you don't want to bug you

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by lepht » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:18 PM UTC

tvon wrote: post #184

statictype wrote: post #106

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I'm pretty sure most people are glad that long time linux users were not employed to point out any deficiencies in any UI metaphors (like Spaces). (And I say this as someone who likes Mac OS X almost entirely because of its Unix underpinnings)

Fair point, I suppose I just want a linux geek to look at the areas of OSX I consider to be deficient. I was thrilled when virtual desktops came to OSX as a core feature, but there are some bugs that seem like show stoppers that I'd think a *nix hacker would have run into. Similarly, it seems like 3rd party dev package management is always a chore... but on that front I'm probably just being anal.

Care to elaborate on the show stopping bugs of Spaces?

I use virtual desktops constantly in Linux, but have abandoned Spaces when on the Mac. I haven't really taken the time to distill what isn't 'right' about Spaces, so I'd be curious to hear what others think are the problems with it.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by rajuvegesna » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:22 PM UTC

pclark wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is the .app an abomination of a UI? Why does Apple now have three different window control styles? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20635/Screenshots/r3da.png Why are there back buttons ("like a browser") but you can't click hold to get the contextual drop down? The navigation (Featured, Top Charts, etc) are so far away from the other controls (Back and Forward) its insanely awkward to use. It feels kind of .…

If you try taking a screenshot of the AppStore (Cmd+shift+4+space bar), it doesn't include those window control styles. If Snow Leopard can't understand it, may be this is their new style for Lion?

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by igravious » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:45 PM UTC

Why does Apple permanently want the 3 digit security code on the back of my credit card? Shouldn't that be asked for at the time of each payment transaction?

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:51 PM UTC

cubicle67 wrote: post #255

philwelch wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Off-topic rant) Yes, because it's vitally fucking important to interrupt my workflow everytime there's a new "Shit My Dad Says". God, I hate Growl sometimes.

System Preferences > Growl > Applications untick the 'enabled' option for anything you don't want to bug you

Is there a way to have applications disabled by default? I already know this trick, but I hate having to go through it every time I install something.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by tvon » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 11:54 PM UTC

lepht wrote: post #256

tvon wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point, I suppose I just want a linux geek to look at the areas of OSX I consider to be deficient. I was thrilled when virtual desktops came to OSX as a core feature, but there are some bugs that seem like show stoppers that I'd think a *nix hacker would have run into. Similarly, it seems like 3rd party dev package management is always a chore... but on that front I'm probably just being anal.

Care to elaborate on the show stopping bugs of Spaces? I use virtual desktops constantly in Linux, but have abandoned Spaces when on the Mac. I haven't really taken the time to distill what isn't 'right' about Spaces, so I'd be curious to hear what others think are the problems with it.

Sometimes a confirmation dialog will popup in a window, and I'm not sure about what conditions cause this, but it gets stuck "between" spaces so you will catch a glimpse of the dialog while switching spaces, but it vanishes once the desktop-changing animation finishes. This is often a blocking dialog, so the app becomes unusable (from memory it's happened with Safari and Dreamweaver). The solution is to stick the mouse cursor in the middle of the screen, switch to the space the dialog should be on and click madly to make sure the dialog gains focus, then do the switch again but hit space or enter to take whatever the default option is in the dialog.

The second, less severe issue is that it will yank you between desktops 3 or 4 times for unclear reasons. It's sort of as if someone else is controlling the desktop switching and they just want to annoy the crap out of you.

FWIW, I used Desktop Linux/BSD for ~8 years before going to OSX, so maybe I have just been spoiled by a very old (eg, well debugged) virtual desktop implementation in X11.