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The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by m0zg »

openasocket wrote: post #50
m0zg wrote: post #43

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Fresh off the Resolute desk: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-...

They could also let asylum seekers go, and allow them to live in the United States pending a hearing. That's what we've been doing until this administration. These aren't random people off the street, these are people with valid claims of asylum who have passed the credible fear interview administered by CBP. Almost all of them will stay in contact with the courts and go to all their appointments. The editorial also…

>> they have done nothing illegal

Crossing into the US illegally is by definition illegal. Misdemeanor, to be exact.

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Post by openasocket »

pacala wrote: post #178
openasocket wrote: post #170

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Not according to Title 8 Section 1158, in the first sentence: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this se…

That allows the alien to apply for asylum, but does not say anything about whether their act of entering the US was or not breaking the law. We could entertain either or both of: A. Entering the US is not breaking any laws, no matter the manner in which it is accomplished. B. Applying for asylum grants an amnesty for the laws broken while entering the US.

It's (B), in that when applying for asylum things like illegal entry, including using fake documents or false testimony to gain entry, will not be held against you if your reason for doing so was to escape your persecution. See cases like Akinmade v. INS, Turcios v. INS, and Mamouzian v. Ashcroft

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by maxlamb »

kd3 wrote: post #26

It's not just ICE but the entire government that is a problem. I personally stopped accepting any work from any government a few years ago. Once you realize what government is, there's no going back. "The State […] is an anti-social institution, administered in the only way an anti-social institution can be administered, and by the kind of person who, in the nature of things, is best adapted to such service [a psycho…

Except that are plenty of examples where the state is a pro-social institution. Take Norway for example. Societies before states (i.e. prehistory) had much higher rates of homicides by all evidence collected.

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by sremani »

root_axis wrote: post #152
nabnob wrote: post #147

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It actually was higher under Obama - https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obam... >By the numbers: Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016. >Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to…

What does that have to do with the rate of kids dying in cages?

what is the rate of kids dying in cages?

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by openasocket »

m0zg wrote: post #181
openasocket wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could also let asylum seekers go, and allow them to live in the United States pending a hearing. That's what we've been doing until this administration. These aren't random people off the street, these are people with valid claims of asylum who have passed the credible fear interview administered by CBP. Almost all of them will stay in contact with the courts and go to all their appointments. The editorial also…

>> they have done nothing illegal Crossing into the US illegally is by definition illegal. Misdemeanor, to be exact.

I'll point you to Title 8 Section 1158, 1(a), as mentioned in other places in this thread. Asylum seekers may be excused for illegal entry into the US. An asylum seeker can even use a fake passport to get through customs to apply for asylum: see Akinmade v. INS as an example.

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Post by dragonwriter »

nabnob wrote: post #155
root_axis wrote: post #152

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What does that have to do with the rate of kids dying in cages?

Sorry, I don't support Trump or ICE. But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist, this has been an ongoing problem for a while.

> But it's dishonest to act like Obama was a leftist

But the Right is the only place that that happens.

> this has been an ongoing problem for a while.

No, the family separation policy has not been going on for a while; the Obama policy was not to detain illegal crossers with children (absent some other reason for detention), specifically to avoid that, and not to force legal asylum-seekers away from standard border crossings to force them to be illegal crossers in the first place.

That's not too say that there weren't humanitarian problems at the border under Obama, but they weren't at the same level as those deliberately created by Trump policies.

Re: The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE under attack by employees

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Post by [deleted] »

mulmen wrote: post #2

Maybe I misunderstand Palantir's mission but working with LEOs like ICE seems to be their core business. All credit to these employees for standing up for what they believe in but what exactly did they think they were signing up for? I have a new coworker who wears his Palantir t-shirt and it makes me uncomfortable to even see the name in my office.

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Post by tzakrajs »

prepend wrote: post #96
notJim wrote: post #56

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> Their core business is data analysis. This is like saying Raytheon's core business is antennas. Yes, Palantir does data analysis, specifically for ICE, the military and the police.

Palantir is private so hard to know revenue breakdown. But hard to believe that over 50% of their revenue (what I would consider core) comes from ICE, military and police. I found this article [0] from 2018 that said half of its $1B in revenue comes from government and the other half from corporate. So if every penny of government work comes from ICE and ICE-likes maybe that’s core. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news…

What if the other corporations they serve are subcontracted by LEO, ICE and CBP? Palantir is deeply in cahoots with CBP/ICE and Peter Thiel (isn't even a US Citizen so I can't even call him a traitor, but) is an enemy of the American people. Fuck ICE, Fuck Palantir, Fuck Peter Thiel

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Post by wang_li »

openasocket wrote: post #177
blackflame7000 wrote: post #176

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Victims of abuse? Do you honestly believe that people that show up at a lawful port of entry are instantly put into cages while they wait? The people that were talking about are the people that got caught trying to cross in the middle of the desert. We give them food and shelter after they just broke our laws and you call that abuse?

Crossing into the US not at a lawful port of entry to apply for asylum is legal. According to Title 8 Section 1158, in the first sentence: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespe…

Not sure precisely what point you're making, but it's possible that you're saying that the intention to apply for asylum provides you with legal rights to enter the US. That's not what the law says.

If you're not saying that, then what you wrote is not responsive to the person you replied to.

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