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Nobody mention population.
Do you propose reducing the population to zero over the next twenty years? If not then you don't solve the problem.
This is a really good article. It touches on the global denial, the gross generational inequality of the status quo, and acknowledges the personal mental health difficulty in trying to accept what the human race has done. It's also pragmatic and talks about what's being done. Very worthwhile reading in its entirety.
Do you think we as society are going to change fast enough to combat the challenges we are currently facing? It seems that we are all just repeating past mistakes in a grander scale.
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> Science is facts, cold hard facts. How do you figure?
How I "feel" about a scientific result is irrelevant to the result. (ie, if I am mad or happy, it doesn't _affect_ the result) Therefore feelings are irrelevant to both the scientific process and the results found from using it.
You may consider the case of pure mathematics, where intensely creative and open-minded individuals manipulate exotic structures atop towering ladders of abstraction; such exploration is the source of much of our most powerful technology and insights into reality. If you listen to explanations of the working methods employed by mathematicians many of them will claim that among the tools they rely upon most heavily are intuition and "feeling".
Once you move beyond the unfortunate anti-human perspective of what I'll half-jokingly call "extreme scientific materialism" and accept the fundamental role of the human experience in the unfolding of the cosmos you might come to see that a mind bent on pure rationality (to the exclusion of all else) is like a beautiful, fueled-up airplane idling on the runway with no pilot in it.
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Exactly. Any time overpopulation isn't mentioned as a (or 'the') primary cause, my nictitating membranes close up and I lose interest in reading.
I have a hard time seeing the overpopulation argument as anything other than classist and racist nonsense. It's not the vast majority in developing nations that are using up all our fossil fuels and poisoning the planet, it's us. And the damage being done in developing nations is nearly all to serve our needs in the developed world. We are the problem. See also things like https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/10/carnival…
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I am in the same boat. I don't even know why I have to be called a climate change denier or skeptic. The onus is on people who believe the climate is changing to prove it. As to say, it is not my job to disprove something that hasn't been proved. Now obviously there is "proof" in circulation. But what is it proving? Have any prediction targets been met at all? How much will the sea tides rise and when? How much would…
> I'd just like to know, in 10 years from now, if carbon emissions were at 19th century level, what would be the temperature be? and at our current rate of carbon emission what will the temperature be? With what degree of accuracy will the figure hold up to?
People have written literally thousands of pages that would answer this question. There are hundreds of pages that give a more accessible overview of the research. It would take you less than a minute to start reading some of this
Five years ago when questions like this popped up I would dutifully take the 10 minutes to pull together some links that directly addressed the question.
> The onus is on people who believe the climate is changing to prove it
I don't disagree. But once the people who believe the climate is changing have written millions of words explaining what they believe is happening, surely there is some onus on internetposterN to read some of that before dismissing the entirety of the enterprise by raising a few questions
I've gotten a vasectomy exactly because it's clear that some of the worst outcomes of human-created climate change are inevitable, and I recommend anyone who cares about the environment and the well-being of their potential children to do the same. My only question is what to do when the world actually ends in 10 or so years. I'm thinking of quitting my job in SF and moving to a rural area in northern midwest far fro…
We'll eat your 5 dogs!
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I don't blame you for this because you're probably in the US, and probably not in agriculture, but we are having crop failures. In the US. Massive ones. It's not just heatwaves, but increased thunderstorm sizes (hail) and increase rainfall during vulnerable planting and harvesting periods. A lot of this spring was washed out in parts of the US Midwest. Globally, it's much worse. People are showing up from Central Ame…
I should’ve been more specific. Crop failures where middle class Americans start to starve. Society is nine meals away from revolution. Keep a close eye on US grain reserves and other ag indicators. I agree with your points that crops are already failing. It just hasn’t impact the first world middle class yet.
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I should’ve been more specific. Crop failures where middle class Americans start to starve. Society is nine meals away from revolution. Keep a close eye on US grain reserves and other ag indicators. I agree with your points that crops are already failing. It just hasn’t impact the first world middle class yet.
I disagree. Most of America is already onboard; it's just being held back from progress by its non democratic systems, a minority that clings to power, and power systems that can spend unbounded amounts of money for short term profits.
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I have a hard time seeing the overpopulation argument as anything other than classist and racist nonsense. It's not the vast majority in developing nations that are using up all our fossil fuels and poisoning the planet, it's us. And the damage being done in developing nations is nearly all to serve our needs in the developed world. We are the problem. See also things like https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/10/carnival…
And yet the same institutions that are responsible for the full spectrum climate propaganda (including using children now in Saint Greta? a tactic with a pretty disreputable history...) are also promoting open borders, because once they get to the developed world those immigrants are magically not going to start contributing to climate change at the same level as everyone else in the developed world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If the developed world (that's us) fixes the way they consume and becomes sustainable, then it doesn't matter how much people consume sustainably because it'll be...you know, sustainable.