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Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Post by navigatesol »

RonaldSchleifer wrote: post #16

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>f you want to stop climate change then, e.g., (and many of these will be uncomfortable to most here) give up your car, find jobs that are remote work or even better yet where you can walk to work, move to a temperate climate where little heat and cooling are needed, stop immigration of people from low impact regions to high impact regions

We can't all do this, unfortunately. And I don't mean "us on HackerNews", I mean "us, globally".

>dvocate for population control of African and Asian populations that are adding on the order of net 85 million additional humans to the planet every year

This is a tough one. It's widely known that simply being born or having children contributes more to climate change than almost every other single source. And yet, rapid population growth in the 2nd/3rd world is a taboo subject.

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daenz wrote: post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #30
RonaldSchleifer wrote: post #16

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> hold China and India responsible for their wildly outsized levels of pollution once you control for their per capita contribution to humanity China and India contribute 4-10 times less CO2 per capita than the US.

The world doesn't care about per capita.

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

youareawesome wrote: post #15

I've gotten a vasectomy exactly because it's clear that some of the worst outcomes of human-created climate change are inevitable, and I recommend anyone who cares about the environment and the well-being of their potential children to do the same. My only question is what to do when the world actually ends in 10 or so years. I'm thinking of quitting my job in SF and moving to a rural area in northern midwest far fro…

Wouldn't diving into the world of doomsday preppers assist you in planning? (I mean, stereotyping aside that they're all crackpots or w/e surely they'd be useful for the literal thing they're trying to do.)

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Post by danharaj »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #25
alexandercrohde wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It really touches on the emotional aspects of it, which I think really need to be discussed. When I picture why certain family members have a hard time accepting the reality of global warming, it certainly comes down to difficulty grappling with emotions, not a hard review of the literature. Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step.

>Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step. I think this is actually the worst thing we can do. Science is facts, cold hard facts. If you want to get rid of the science and focus on emotions, then the solutions to the _real_ problem will get distorted.

> Science is facts, cold hard facts.

How do you figure?

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

bloopernova wrote: post #12
MrSlovenia wrote: post #5

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Honestly that sounds like an excuse to do nothing, that you are not truly serious about it. The last best time was yestrday. The next best one is now.

That cuts deep. It's very easy to put things off and believe that I'm helpless. Thank you for being blunt about it. I'll do something today about the climate and planting trees. I'm not physically able to plant stuff myself, so it will have to be something I donate to. I can also push my employer to start sponsoring climate disaster mitigation efforts.

You might want to consider donating to some of the groups that have sprung up. Two that have had recent visibility are:

Extinction Rebellion, organisers of the civil disobedience protests in the UK and elsewhere - https://rebellion.earth

Client Earth, a legal charity aiming to repeatedly take governments to court on climate matters. Became much more visible when Dave Gilmour made a major donation recently: https://www.clientearth.org

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Post by throwaway5752 »

CalRobert wrote: post #11
daenz wrote: post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

Why is that? Also, I detest fascism - but devil's advocate - is fascism worse than literal extinction?

"Also, I detest fascism - but devil's advocate - is fascism worse than literal extinction?"

Why in the world do you think that democratic structures will make it intact through a descent into extinction. I'm not going to cite Mad Max as a sociological point, but society will break down under unmitigated global warming. When food and water safety cannot be met, law loses its authority. You can see this on a small scale after cyclone landfalls.

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