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Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by vict00ms »

devoply wrote: post #56
neonIcon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider if you will how well we fared in Korea, Vietnam, and in the Middle East against farmers and normal folks. As a Texan myself, I'd like to point out that a large percentage of the United States military happens to originate from or was stationed in our great state. I happen to think we would fare quite well in your hypothetical scenario..

With Korea, the US basically conquered half of it and made it kind of territory or vassal. Vietnam would be the only victory for the belligerent. The Middle East with US intervention is pretty much destroyed, where Iraq is more or less a vassal state and Afghanistan is still out of control but more or less destroyed, and Syria is burning. In foreign cases the invading army will eventually leave the country if you can…

I'm not a student of military history but these all seem disparate examples that don't support the point that you're trying to make. Are you trying to say something about the nature of the US Military's (in)ability to hold territory or making a point about foreign occupations?

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Post by Clubber »

awinder wrote: post #85
neonIcon wrote: post #33

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Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.

I think the other 26 amendments + constitution probably have more to do individually, and absolutely do as a collective, with the freedoms of our society. I don't know if you've seen an obese person with a peashooter go up against an apache helicopter, for instance, but I don't think the state has had to worry about who can deploy more force in over a century.

You're being dismissive. We're leaving Afghanistan because some skinny guys in robes with little more than AK's successfully stood up to the most powerful military that ever marched, for going on 18 years now.

It happened in Iraq too, and Vietnam.

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Post by zhoujianfu »

dspillett wrote: post #16
namelosw wrote: post #10

If you speak Chinese, you'll find it's very easy to squeeze sentences in exact same characters. Almost all poems in China (except very modern ones) do this. It's so easy that people in forums do this a along - being sarcastic or just funny. You could have positive meaning literally, but hide dirty words in structures. Also because it's so easy that this was defined as serious crime in many dynasties. There were even…

> committed it by coincidence were sentenced to death So they sentenced themselves to death with an unfortunate sentence structure.

I believe the correct joke is simply:

So they sentenced themselves to death.

Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by ajmurmann »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #15

In 2011 he already made comments in support of universal suffrage in Hongkong. Despite what is said in the media I don't think that this is 'brave' to state this opinion. The key is how to say it and how to behave with respect to China and the government.

> The key is how to say it and how to behave with respect to China and the government.

Can you elaborate why it matters to be respectful to a dictator for life who puts huge numbers of Uighurs in concentration camps?

Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by ridaj »

Apfel wrote: post #7
bonzini wrote: post #6

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The second part seems pretty direct.

The discussion being entirely banned on Weibo also implies that it's deliberate. Try searching "李嘉诚发声" and you'll get a message saying "According to relevant laws, regulations and policies, this page is not found"

Didn't they block Winnie the Pooh images because it had come to represent Xi Jinping? Those images maybe weren't deliberately provocative when produced as a children's cartoon, but the context made them so. Sane thing could happen here?

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Post by throwaway5752 »

peteey wrote: post #93
csyszf wrote: post #82

"From born to die, you will always buy Li Ka-Shing's goods" "If there's God in HongKong, his last name must be Li" He and other oligarchs raise prices and exploit profits from people. HK Gov tried several times to press down house prices (build public rental apartments provided by gov, called 新界东北发展计划 ), all failed. What's the funniest part is, HK GOV plan to dismantle the golf courses for building public apartments,…

Hong Kong is consistently ranked as one of the freest societies. Casting HK in a bad light implies more daunting things about the rest of the world.

They're talking about wealth inequality, not freedom. The tension between those two concepts is the undercurrent for the last 150 years of human history.

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Post by thecopy »

billfruit wrote: post #65
thecopy wrote: post #27

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> I can’t see what the Chief Executive could possibly do Your assumption that HK doesn't have any autonomy might have something to do with that ;) As to what she could do: she can do a lot; the protestors have a list of 5 demands, one of them is the withdrawal of the extradition-bill. She could comply with that, for example.

Which she has declared to have been withdrawn.

No, it has been suspended. Withdrawn is a separate state. If the government in the future want implement this again, it is a lot less effort to continue a suspended bill rather than a withdraw. The difference is that with a withdrawn bill the legislative process needs to start from zero while a suspended can just be "unsuspended".

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Post by doanguyen »

psychrometer wrote: post #62
idlewords wrote: post #53

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How do you defend yourself against the Chinese army with just handguns and rifles? You can post the answer here, or better yet, sell it to Taiwan confidentially for billions of dollars.

Ask the Vietnamese.

I'm glad that you asked. We had a long history with our big "brother" China. But I don't think this is relevant because at the end of the day, Hong Kong and Taiwan are still Chinese.

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Post by doanguyen »

Retric wrote: post #75
psychrometer wrote: post #62

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Ask the Vietnamese.

For a more recent example ISIS was crushed. The Vietnamese had massive foreign support. China is unlikely to give up so easily, and no country is going to want to keep arming such a resistance.

Just to be clear, in the most recent conflict between Vietnam and China, we had very limit foreign support, even the support from the Soviet.
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