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Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by neonIcon »

Udik wrote: post #55
remotecool wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been my thought too. China is allowing these protests to go on. At any point, they can roll in the tanks, and they will be over. Without meaningful ways to defend themselves, there really is no way to win against the Chinese government.

I hope you're being sarcastic. Partly because the idea of civilians using guns bought at the supermarket to oppose the Chinese army is hilarious; partly because the idea that you need guns to get freedom, is general, even more laughable. Sorry.

Is the creation of the United States laughable? What was used in order to gain that freedom from Britain? Firearms maybe?

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Post by psychrometer »

idlewords wrote: post #53
remotecool wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been my thought too. China is allowing these protests to go on. At any point, they can roll in the tanks, and they will be over. Without meaningful ways to defend themselves, there really is no way to win against the Chinese government.

How do you defend yourself against the Chinese army with just handguns and rifles? You can post the answer here, or better yet, sell it to Taiwan confidentially for billions of dollars.

Ask the Vietnamese.

Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by oblio »

jimworm wrote: post #31

Li Ka-shing is well aware. His job ad for a Chinese PA was featured in the news for its salary (HK$1Mpa) and very high requirements (expert level in modern and classical Chinese and Chinese history, 20+ years experience). https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/1567579

PA = ?

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Post by ttul »

oblio wrote: post #63
jimworm wrote: post #31

Li Ka-shing is well aware. His job ad for a Chinese PA was featured in the news for its salary (HK$1Mpa) and very high requirements (expert level in modern and classical Chinese and Chinese history, 20+ years experience). https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/1567579

PA = ?

Personal Assistant

Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by billfruit »

thecopy wrote: post #27
AmericanChopper wrote: post #19

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I don’t think anybody seriously thinks Hong Kong has any meaningful level of autonomy. The impasse is that Hong Kongers want freedom and democracy, and China wants Hong Kong to be China. I can’t see what the Chief Executive could possibly do. Either the protestors will give up, or stage a revolution, which seems unlikely for a population armed with umbrellas.

> I can’t see what the Chief Executive could possibly do Your assumption that HK doesn't have any autonomy might have something to do with that ;) As to what she could do: she can do a lot; the protestors have a list of 5 demands, one of them is the withdrawal of the extradition-bill. She could comply with that, for example.

Which she has declared to have been withdrawn.

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Post by andromeduck »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #44
neonIcon wrote: post #33

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Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.

Minor point: not everyone is American. Some countries are democratic without the need to bear arms.

All of them much smaller and/or less demographically diverse.

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Post by neonIcon »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #44
neonIcon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.

Minor point: not everyone is American. Some countries are democratic without the need to bear arms.

You're absolutely right. Until that one day comes that you might need to bear arms. Or bear arms, that could be cool too /s

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Post by psychrometer »

NikkiA wrote: post #50
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #14

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Would Tiananmen Square not be your first guess for any date remotely close to 1989 though, given the context?

Or the fall of the berlin wall, depending on context.

For reference, that is 9 November 1989.

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Post by dragonwriter »

idlewords wrote: post #42
neonIcon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.

A population armed with guns can no more stand up to a modern police force or army than one without firearms. People in Iraq and Yemen were heavily armed.

Which does illustrate the importance of the idea of the second amendment, but also it's failure in implementation:

The second amendment does not exist to arm the citizenry against the police/army, it exists to provide a militia of citizens so that government will not (because the citizenry will be both capable and, being politically empowered, will not stand for the alternative) resort to permanent professional police and armies for security.

But it turns out the citizenry, armed or not, like the government applying violence, and don't want to be bothered to be on the pointy end, so even with the second amendment we have abandoned reliance on the citizen militia in favor of professional security services, along with a weird civic cult of worship of those services.

Re: Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

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Post by andromeduck »

neonIcon wrote: post #33
AmericanChopper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think anybody seriously thinks Hong Kong has any meaningful level of autonomy. The impasse is that Hong Kongers want freedom and democracy, and China wants Hong Kong to be China. I can’t see what the Chief Executive could possibly do. Either the protestors will give up, or stage a revolution, which seems unlikely for a population armed with umbrellas.

Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.

Also state's rights, that's basically what they're fighting for.
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