So google chrome hides www and m in the domain, will Google replace AMP domains as well?
They are building another monstrosity to be able to masquerade as your entire domain. But it is optional , of course /s
A new AMP update shows how it can infiltrate every corner of the internet
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#22Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…
Believe it or not but the web is literally unusable if I use any other browser not based on chrome because:
- The search is degraded (it hides the advanced search menu in Google and most dropdowns in ff)
- Most of the sites use Recaptcha or cloudflare (also an extension of recaptcha) which gives you a low bot score if you're using anything other than chrome and then begins the never ending exercise of identifying cars and traffic lights
- I think web devs are also only testing for chrome nowadays and a lot of big and small sites just won't render properly with FF (the PH menu won't open on ff android for me unless I change the ua). It's not always chrome's fault though as many sites (like dictation.io) insist I use chrome because ff still won't support some web apis.
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#23AMP isn't all bad. SXG from AMP will enable advanced P2P CDN tech to flourish. Unfortunately Mozilla has decided to not support it.
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#24So google chrome hides www and m in the domain, will Google replace AMP domains as well?
They are building another monstrosity to be able to masquerade as your entire domain. But it is optional , of course /s
Website authors opting in to letting another server serve content "as" their own domain isn't anything new: it's what CDNs do. The Signed Exchanges standard is actually a huge step up because the website authors get to cryptographically sign their content. With normal CDNs, if the CDN is malicious or gets hacked, the CDN is free to serve modified content on the original domain.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the parent's point is that desktop sites are often good enough even on mobile. Mobile sites, on the other hand, seem to often lack in functionality.
But most purely desktop sites, are in fact, not anywhere close to good on mobile. A good test is: do you need to zoom in and then pan horizontally to be able to read the content?
Personally, I don't even mind panning around across both axes and zooming in but I may be a minority in that respect.
Probably a large minority nonetheless.
On Android/Chrome, the experience is not bad. When you load the desktop site, it looks very small but you see the whole thing. Then you can zoom in and pan using your fingers... Not so different from how you use Google maps. It's just a tiny bit slower than on desktop; but everything on mobile is slower than on desktop anyway including typing.
If you're already loosely familiar with the site's UI, it's not difficult to use. Even if you have big finger, you can just zoom in first and then click. It's a quick two-step gesture which is easy to master.
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#26So google chrome hides www and m in the domain, will Google replace AMP domains as well?
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#27I think that the mobile trend was blown way out of proportion. I very often find myself clicking on the 'Browse desktop version' button when browsing a so-called 'mobile-friendly' version of a site. Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? For me, it's not. This is just another example of a big tech monopoly imposing their highly opinionated ideas on billions of people. Als…
Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.
So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?
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#28Google intentionally gimps Firefox on Android, by serving an old-school page. Using an addon (which you can on mobile Fx, and not on Chrome), fixes this by editing the UA string when visiting Google. Getting the "nice experience", however, gives me amp links. And when I click on them, I'm unable to scroll?! It doesn't matter if it loads fast, when I cannot read beyond the fold. It also breaks the "open in app" I norm…
YouTube's management UI's performance in Firefox has been terrible since the Polymer migration (a baffling choice since Polymer was already clearly a failed initiative when they undertook that migration) and looks like it will never be fixed.
Hangouts-in-Gmail has had a memory leak in Firefox for more than a year eventually freezes its tabs.
When you're a monopoly, you can get away with a lot.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.
So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?
It's also about UX, accessibility, readability etc which often become a mess if you browse the desktop version on mobile. I also resort to the desktop version sometimes but it's very seldom the mobile version is actually missing content. Besides, I think most people have no idea that "Browse desktop version" even exists.
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Just thinking that... I find medium worse than amp... at least amp doesn't show pop ups to join or subscribe...
But AMP sites pretty much require you to get out of the AMP site to work properly. Closing a pop up is no harder than that.
I'm all for bashing AMP but I can't remember a single time I've had to get out of AMP to get it working. Do you have any examples?