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Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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I might previously have argued that H-1Bs were causing a domino effect on the rest of US employment - their complete inability to negotiate higher salaries spilled over into the rest of the industry. However, I see now that such an argument is shortsighted. There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing and my frustration with my own experiences in the industry is causing me to scapegoat H-…

> There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing Every economist believes in supply and demand curves. If there are any H1Bs being awarded to replaceable programmers (as opposed to specialized programmers with no American counterparts, as was the intended use of the system), then wages are being depressed. It's practically a law of physics.

Economists also believe in the lump of labor fallacy, which your comment perfectly exemplifies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing Every economist believes in supply and demand curves. If there are any H1Bs being awarded to replaceable programmers (as opposed to specialized programmers with no American counterparts, as was the intended use of the system), then wages are being depressed. It's practically a law of physics.

Economists also believe in the lump of labor fallacy, which your comment perfectly exemplifies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

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Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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IMO, H1Bs should be given out via action style based on salary where the highest bidders (companies that need to fill the positions) get them. That's the only simple way to make sure they are not trying to replace higher cost US workers with lower cost H1B workers who are beholden to their employers every whim over threat of being kicked out.

But how do you fix the fact that large consulting companies could be paying more than say, a startup ?

You don't. If startups want H1B workers they compete on the same level as everyone else. Special treatment is what creates loopholes and leads us down our current path.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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post #8

I might previously have argued that H-1Bs were causing a domino effect on the rest of US employment - their complete inability to negotiate higher salaries spilled over into the rest of the industry. However, I see now that such an argument is shortsighted. There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing and my frustration with my own experiences in the industry is causing me to scapegoat H-…

As someone who worked in the US with a H1-B, in my case it was because you'd not find someone with my particular skill at that point in time. I was also paid more than the employees at the company I was contracted to work at - because of my particular skill and I'd taken a pay cut to move to the US. This is what the H1-B is/was supposed to be like. It does seem that it has been abused.

You were the only person in America that could do that exact task? What were you doing?

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

#35
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Federalism would solve a lot of the country's problems.

No. Federalism creates most of the problems in the US: drug wars, invasions overseas, absurd military expending, reduced comparative advantages between states, the evil patents system, expensive medical care, etc. The more concentrated the state apparatus, the more powerful the government and the less free and poor the people are. -- correction: I meant centralized power, not federalism.

oops! Sorry about that. I meant centralized power indeed, not federalism.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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post #8

I might previously have argued that H-1Bs were causing a domino effect on the rest of US employment - their complete inability to negotiate higher salaries spilled over into the rest of the industry. However, I see now that such an argument is shortsighted. There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing and my frustration with my own experiences in the industry is causing me to scapegoat H-…

I agree that when you look at the total number of H-1Bs being awarded vs the size of the total labor market in sofware engineering, it seems unlikely it is having a massive effect.

And if you look at the massive absusers of the system(Toptal, Wipro etc), that use it to lower pay, I feel as though many of those jobs would have instead been outsourced oversees anyway. So at the very least, for a US perspective, the taxes and consumer spending are still partly captured in the US as opposed to another country.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

#37
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing Every economist believes in supply and demand curves. If there are any H1Bs being awarded to replaceable programmers (as opposed to specialized programmers with no American counterparts, as was the intended use of the system), then wages are being depressed. It's practically a law of physics.

Economists also believe in the lump of labor fallacy, which your comment perfectly exemplifies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

The lump of labor fallacy is equivalent to believing in inelastic demand. However the supply and demand model doesn't depend on inflexibility: its basic highschool formulation involves supply that increases with price and demand that decreases with price. So, no, I don't think the suppply and demand model requires a fixed demand.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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IMO, H1Bs should be given out via action style based on salary where the highest bidders (companies that need to fill the positions) get them. That's the only simple way to make sure they are not trying to replace higher cost US workers with lower cost H1B workers who are beholden to their employers every whim over threat of being kicked out.

But how do you fix the fact that large consulting companies could be paying more than say, a startup ?

No. Loopholes.

The system we have now is nothing short of slavery in some instances.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

#39
post #8

I might previously have argued that H-1Bs were causing a domino effect on the rest of US employment - their complete inability to negotiate higher salaries spilled over into the rest of the industry. However, I see now that such an argument is shortsighted. There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing and my frustration with my own experiences in the industry is causing me to scapegoat H-…

> There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing Every economist believes in supply and demand curves. If there are any H1Bs being awarded to replaceable programmers (as opposed to specialized programmers with no American counterparts, as was the intended use of the system), then wages are being depressed. It's practically a law of physics.

Except supply and demand for employment is not elastic at all, so it’s not really a fair comparaison.

Re: H-1B Visa Most Used for 'Software Engineer,' 'Software Developer' Roles

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post #8

I might previously have argued that H-1Bs were causing a domino effect on the rest of US employment - their complete inability to negotiate higher salaries spilled over into the rest of the industry. However, I see now that such an argument is shortsighted. There is no evidence outside of my own conjecture to support such a thing and my frustration with my own experiences in the industry is causing me to scapegoat H-…

The reality that is not going to be well received by people here is that you don't seem to understand that the H1B visa is not some exercise in globalist altruism for foreigners over native people in their own homes; it is a ruse, a scam to masquerade the wealth pillage by the ruling class from their own nature middle and working class, by driving down wages and salaries, while also using it to cover up the reality t…

> every "immigrant" that is imported to pillage wealth and opportunities from the native population.

You realize the « native population » of the US was victim of a genocide right ?

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