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Maybe. Compare the Mercedes EQC to the Tesla Model X. The EQC is quieter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 The EQC has more sophisticated headlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ And the EQC has voice control (although they really need a better triggering phrase than "Mercedes"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 I think Tesla's main problem now is that the major car companies will…
People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?
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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance
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Really? I haven't seen one yet.
Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw... Ionity is installing 350kw chargers in Europe: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And so is Fastned: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-f...
Anyways, it's a good thing for the whole electric vehicle ecosystem that multiple charging options become available. That multiple companies are competing on charging infrastructure is excellent!
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> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.
>> Nissan Leaf >> Tesla Model S Not comparable cars.
Not comparable, but look at the post that was the origin of that response, it was only about "electric cars" in general.
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#84No one reasonably expected the old car companies to leapfrog Tesla in a year or two. This is going to be a long battle for market share. It'll take a while for the "newcomers" to get the consumer trust in their electric cars that Tesla already enjoys.
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People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?
Yeah.. I've been hearing this since the Tesla Roasters came out in 2008. Yet, nothing in the market has yet to compete with the 2012 Model S when it comes to range/performance.
If you try to do the same in a Model S you'll just overheat it.
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I don't know if "looks cool" is the same thing as status (probably not) but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road. Maybe the only competitor for worst on the list of cool factor is the mini van. Much of the US is a truck culture. You can drive more places and carry more cargo than anything else. In this case, status becomes proudly declaring yourself as blue collar as opposed…
In Europe, SUVs and crossovers are bought by people with children, back problems or those who think that it will make them look interesting. None of those are “cool”. Unless you like to holler at single moms at the playground boosting about the triple ISO fix childseat attachment. Marketing does a great job into making you think that SUVs are for hip young people with active urban lifestyles but in reality it’s mainl…
From what I can tell most people who go for the SUV for practical reasons do it for the safety or the assumption that a bulkier car will have more room. A factor rarely considered is that big wheels and bulkier axles will eat some of the interior space. This being said most of the people I know (or know of) more or less drive those SUVs alone every day. I guess they get 2 birds with one stone: practical car that's also a status symbol, with the popular interpretation that bigger is better.
Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance
#87Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.
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Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw... Ionity is installing 350kw chargers in Europe: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And so is Fastned: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-f...
Do any of these actually operate near 350kw with any production cars yet? Anyways, it's a good thing for the whole electric vehicle ecosystem that multiple charging options become available. That multiple companies are competing on charging infrastructure is excellent!
Not yet. The Porsche Taycan is launching with 250 kw charging (with 350 kw charging to come in future) but I haven't seen any information on its charge curve. The Tesla Model 3 can charge at 250kw to about 20% state of charge and then it progressively drops off.
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#89According to the article, they have less range than a Tesla Model 3 and cost substantially more. That seems like a hard thing to sell.
They aren't competitors for the Model 3 but rather a Model Y. And not sure why people are so obsessed with range. It's the megapixels/megahertz spec nonsense again. People don't buy ICE cars based purely on MPG but also for exterior/interior design, quality, comfort, brand, support, seating capacity etc and most importantly what the car says about you as a person.
so for newer/more expensive car with a 200+mile range? yeah, that's probably enough for most people, with enough reserve to get you to a supercharger. I mean, it is a pain, 'cause a lot of people like to park at the supercharger and it gets to be a problem, but geting gas is a pain, too... so sure, if your range is comfortably over 200 miles, for many people, maybe even most Americans, that should be plenty.
but that's the high end. and if they lose 20% range after 5 years, only the 'extended range' variants of the high end cars seem to have more than 200 miles.
As a more typical auto-buyer, (well, more typical than the 200 mile plus new car buyers) I'm looking to buy a car right now, as uber/lyft seem to be about 30% more expensive than they were pre-IPO, once you count the difference in special offers given to me. I've always regarded it as a luxury, but it slowly is getting too expensive for me.
One of the cars under consideration is a used leaf: a 2012 model year or thereabouts. It's an all around reasonable car, it's gone through most of it's depreciation curve, etc.. it's newer than the average car your average American is driving. It's got a usable range around 50 miles. (that's only down like 20% from what it advertised new)
this is... probably fine for me. I don't have charging facilities at home, and installing those in the shared garage would be iffy... would require HOA approval. but I do have (free!) charging facilities at work, 10 miles away.
But I am a bit unusual. I don't particularly like driving, not for daily, utilitarian purposes anyhow. If I buy the thing, as I'll be stepping down from taking uber/lyft everywhere, so I'm already all setup to use trains or airplanes for anything over 20 miles or so, and for that matter, I live with someone that owns a petrol car, so it's all just kinda extra.
but I work with a lot of people (a lot of very highly paid people, the sort who buy nice luxury cars) who have commutes that are more than 50 miles each way - and you usually want enough power that you can go a day without charging.
Now, I also have a bunch of co-workers who have Teslas with extended range packages, and there is some overlap with the long commutes. But... without those extended range packages, that would be pretty iffy. And these are people who have the luxury of replacing their car often; they really don't have to worry about things like battery degradation.
The average American is going to find a 50 mile range unacceptable; the average American would find the 150 mile range of the new base model nissan leaf to be pretty confining, for that matter. I'm gonna go ahead and say that 200 and change is gonna be the minimum for most people, and then only if they can install a charger (I.E. they don't live in an apartment.) or can charge at work.
(my work does tell me not to rely on work charging as my only charge... but eh, if the chargers are full/down one day a week or what have you, uber/lyft probably still has some legs.)
Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance
#90Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.
On the other hand, despite the Prius, Toyota seem to be laggards in this area.