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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by clouddrover »

booi wrote: post #12
clouddrover wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. Compare the Mercedes EQC to the Tesla Model X. The EQC is quieter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 The EQC has more sophisticated headlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ And the EQC has voice control (although they really need a better triggering phrase than "Mercedes"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 I think Tesla's main problem now is that the major car companies will…

People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?

> who complains about how loud a Tesla is?

People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by colordrops »

threeseed wrote: post #11
7472697374616E wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And compete with the vast network of superchargers Tesla's already established for themselves...

Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.

Really? I haven't seen one yet.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by riantogo »

bestnameever wrote: post #20
threeseed wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't competitors for the Model 3 but rather a Model Y. And not sure why people are so obsessed with range. It's the megapixels/megahertz spec nonsense again. People don't buy ICE cars based purely on MPG but also for exterior/interior design, quality, comfort, brand, support, seating capacity etc and most importantly what the car says about you as a person.

Range/MPG can certainly be a determining factor for many. Many people might even narrow their focus to certain models based on range/mpg and not even look at those that don't check their marks. That's my experience anyway, maybe you can provide a source that says otherwise?

You are right. Range/MPG is one of the primary (if not the top) consideration when moving form ICE to EV. Not sure what the parent is talking about.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by clouddrover »

colordrops wrote: post #22
threeseed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.

Really? I haven't seen one yet.

Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw...

Ionity is installing 350kw chargers in Europe: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html

And so is Fastned: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-f...

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by kenhwang »

That's an interesting interpretation of the data. To me, it looks like Model S/X sales have noticeably dropped since the introduction of the Jaguar and Audi.

I don't think there will be a singular Tesla killer, but rather, Tesla is increasingly going to be attacked by all sides: Hyundai/Nissan/GM on the mass market side, Jaguar/Audi/Mercedes/BMW on the luxury side, and Porsche on the ultra luxury high end. The Model 3/Y is currently positioned in the premium segment between mass market and luxury. That's sorta Honda/Toyota territory; I think they'll need to bring out EVs for Tesla to be in serious trouble.

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Post by jansan »

King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

Germany has traditionally been a station wagon country. Although SUVs are everywhere now, you still see more station wagons. As I see it, SUVs are used as a status symbol and they have the advantage of an elevated driving position. Station wagons are generally used by people who "do stuff", who have to transport things or drive long distances. It it the car of the practical thinkers. Station wagons are also driven by salesmen who have to travel a lot, because station wagons tend to have a lower fuel consumption due to their smaller drag area. This is especially relevant on our Autobahn, where the higher speeds make aerodynamic drag pretty noticeable.

So yes, for practical reasons station wagons are great. I love mine.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by rumanator »

gibolt wrote: post #19
threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. Several of them are targeting Tesla owners with discounts, ads at superchargers, etc... The companies clearly think they are competing with Tesla, especially since they don't want to compete with themselves (ICE models). As for doing their own thing, most have a battery shortage…

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective.

The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

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Post by fgonzag »

pandapower2 wrote: post #2

Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they improve their vehicles.

the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by virgilp »

clouddrover wrote: post #21
booi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?

> who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even hesitated to give the extra money!)
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