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>and does not reflect the preparations spearheaded by Johnson that are now underway. All the more reason to be alarmed. The guy seems like a complete loose cannon - more likely to cause additional chaos that help. Really starting to wonder whether this isn't one big geopolitical campaign to short an entire country.
How much could he have changed it in 3 weeks anyway?
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What? EU is loose federation of 28 EQUAL members I think the UK has a problem with being an equal and has not got over its loss of empire, just look at how they treat their own constituent countries such as Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales
> What? EU is loose federation of 29 EQUAL members To be fair: whatever us Germans and the French want, we eventually get - most often by outright nation-scale bribery. It's all backroom dealing - for example, us Germans get no opposition preventing harsher pollution regimes EU-wide (to protect our heavy car-oriented industry), the countries which would oppose get EU funding grants for construction or whatever.
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> which unelected officials The European Commission. Remember, the Commission gets to propose legislation, the Parliament (which you elect) doesn't.
This is the executive arm. Commissioners are appointed by each member state's governement. This is no less democratic than the way UK cabinet ministers are appointed.
The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.
Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg literally are the "Eaton to Oxford" establishment of the UK. There's nothing anti-establishment about Brexit.
Since the vote was so close, why not do another referendum on doing another referendum? You can organize this with one referendum, which is: 1. Would you like to do another referendum on leaving the EU? A) Yes B) No 2. Great-Brittain should leave the EU A) Yes B) No If people still want Great-Brittain to leave, then they bought themselves some time and otherwise this whole brexit thing has been resolved.
A binary yes and no is too polar with a large greyscale of real-life opinions and preferences.
In the Brexit vote a few years ago (on the most miserable birthday I ever had) 48% voted for one option, 52% voted for all the other options combined [1].
>and does not reflect the preparations spearheaded by Johnson that are now underway. All the more reason to be alarmed. The guy seems like a complete loose cannon - more likely to cause additional chaos that help. Really starting to wonder whether this isn't one big geopolitical campaign to short an entire country.
There can only be a single supreme economic power in Europe. It won't be UK. This idea is at least 70 years old and takes adventage of democracy flaws.
And calm your tits everyone, this is such a contentious matter. Both sides don't know what the future will bring, it's probably neither a disaster nor a panacea. At least it hasn't been so far, despite being known as a definite inevitability for 3 years.
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Care to provide an example?
I'm not taking the side of GP, but I just want to point out that the resolution to the financial crisis 10 years was very much in Germany's favour.
Since the vote was so close, why not do another referendum on doing another referendum? You can organize this with one referendum, which is: 1. Would you like to do another referendum on leaving the EU? A) Yes B) No 2. Great-Brittain should leave the EU A) Yes B) No If people still want Great-Brittain to leave, then they bought themselves some time and otherwise this whole brexit thing has been resolved.
> Since the vote was so close, why not do another referendum on doing another referendum? You say that, (Even if it is a joke) but here in the UK, this is exactly the same as the 'People's Vote' that gives the final say to the people on how the Brexit process should progress, despite the UK already voting leave in 2016. Democracy doesn't care on how 'close' the result was, the people voted to leave and that should be…
Well, the UK votes on the government at least every 5 years. Do you think that that is undemocratic? Should everyone just say 'we'd be ignoring the will of the people if we just kept voting until we got the right answer'.
And after all, there was a referendum in 1975 on joining the EEC, but now brexiteers seem to want out of it. Are they denying the will of the people?
That seems like the kind of argument only someone who is scared that they no longer hold a majority opinion might make.
The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.
Talk of the EU “punishing” the UK is silly. The EU is not going to renegotiate a huge set of treaties (the leaving agreement) due to the fact that the UK can’t find a way to both have a border and not have a border. They just spent 2 years negotiating with the UK and now the UK has gotten cold feet.