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Leaked Brexit Document Predicts 'Catastrophic Collapse' of U.K. Infrastructure

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#21

The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.

Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg literally are the "Eaton to Oxford" establishment of the UK. There's nothing anti-establishment about Brexit.

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#22
Since the vote was so close, why not do another referendum on doing another referendum?

You can organize this with one referendum, which is:

1. Would you like to do another referendum on leaving the EU?

A) Yes

B) No

2. Great-Brittain should leave the EU

A) Yes

B) No

If people still want Great-Brittain to leave, then they bought themselves some time and otherwise this whole brexit thing has been resolved.

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#23

The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.

The British establishment want Brexit. They are the masterminds behind Brexit. The idea that the establishment resists it is their greatest trick of all.

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#24

The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.

So you demand to leave the EU, and when it becomes apparent that there will be downsides to this, you insist it's the fault of the people who said it was a bad idea?

At least have the courage to own the consequences of your decisions.

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#25
post #3

The EU and the British establishment will do everything they can to punish the UK for their insolence. All the more reason it was a good idea to #Leave. Better to take whatever lumps that come now.

Agreed. The eu is basically a german/french dictatorship. The thing is, once the uk recovers after the leave event, many other eu countries will follow suit.

What? EU is loose federation of 28 EQUAL members

I think the UK has a problem with being an equal and has not got over its loss of empire, just look at how they treat their own constituent countries such as Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales

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#26
post #16

Scaremongering headline; I thought NPR was better than that. The document doesn't "predict" any such thing. It considers a number of worst-case scenarios of things that could happen, but that's a far cry from predicting that every worst-case scenario will actually come to pass.

> A government source told the Sunday Times: "This is not Project Fear — this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case."

One of their sources indicates that these aren't just a worst case scenario, though.

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post #8

Political opposition leaked a scare document? Welcome to politics.

It’s a govt risk assessment document, not just “politics”. Assuming you’re a brexiteer....what exactly is the positive case for brexit now? Because no one I can hear is making it, merely saying it has to happen, like a visit to one’s in laws that destroys the economy and fractures society.

The case for Brexit that I've heard from the beginning has not changed, so if you honestly haven't heard it, it goes something like this: the primary goal is to retain sovereignty while Britain still can; to arrest the slow but inexorable yielding of power to unelected officials of the E.U.

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#29
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won’t recover, that’s not how trade works.

EU is more than just a trade agreement and there is nothing preventing trade agreements between the UK and the EU from being developed post-brexit.

1st of November, Boris (or whoever is PM then) asks EU for trade deal. They respond with, "great, so about:

1. Irish border and Good Friday agreement

2. EU Citizens rights in UK

3. Payment of billions to which previous UK governments signed up to as EU member

4. How will you ensure low quality food from US does not enter EU"

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#30
post #15
post #9

Haven't we seen from the steele dossier that these things can essentially be made up, outdated, or inaccurate, and then be leaked to a salivating press to push an agenda? I feel like this is a tired plot by now. There's no reason to take this seriously without more context and input from the counter-perspective.

So because one leaked document is controversial (and last I checked the Steele dossier isn't confirmed to be all that inaccurate) we should disregard all leaked communications? That feels like faulty logic. Should we have dismissed Watergate because it was based on leaked information?

The problem isn't that it's leaked, it's that it's taken as true without further regard, despite changes since then or even untruths contained within, because it is what some people want to believe to be true. The "leak" aspect makes it seem secretive and therefore more revealing, when in reality it likely lulled from inaccuracy.
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