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Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Just to add to the complexity of the issue: Part of the problem for the UK lies in the strength of the pound. The financial sector is so strong that it drives up the value of the pound beyond the demand for anything made in Britain. This makes it hard to compete on price in pounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

Is that still the case though, GBP being over valued? I remember the pound at its height was closing in to $2 USD. Now it is mostly ~$1.3ish and currently closing in to $1.2 ( In the long term I would not be surprised if it was levelled with EUR at $1.1 )

I still remember all the trade shows with vendors on Food Export. Is not that we don't want to buy British Food, it is simply the Pound make it uncompetitive, ( Not to mention their inexperience with export makes things 10x more difficult ). But ever since the pound drop ( after the announcement of Brexit ), the British brand and flag makes suddenly makes things interesting, at least it had a fighting chance on the International Market. Cheddar Cheese were constantly sold out, and Diary are now a possibility. ( Still a some way off from NZ and Australian though ).

I asked if Brexit had any impact on them and if they would rise price in the near future, and all the answer I had is that they don't see any part of the business being dependent on import, unless there is a huge spike in salary they could even sign a contract for two years, so to speak.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ECB is not unbiased in the slightest, they always favour the northern states.

QE is made for Southern Europe, the North has argued against it for years (especially Jens Weidmann). Draghi is Italian.

QE transfered money to Southern countries with a caveat to use them to pay bondholders - large banks of the North.

So in essence it was taking money from Northern taxpayers to give to Northern banks to save them from illiquidity.

People in the South and their country budgets haven't seen a cent of these money.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ECB is not unbiased in the slightest, they always favour the northern states.

Britain is definitely in the northern half of Europe.

It's kinda obvious that the ECB can only deal with Eurozone countries

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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...if only that currency was controllable by Britain's government according to Britain's needs, instead of being run according to some other country's interests to propel its own economy (using a number of satellite states to vote in its favor) -- and causing the exact same problem the grandparent described in the periphery countries...

Where this narrative of German driving the EU comes from? Please note that I am not taking any position, I just want to get more informed about the internal EU problems.

>Where this narrative of German driving the EU comes from?

Historical experience, including recent historical experience. Naively, most discussions of EU power balances resolve in the nominal voting system, and the vote count allotted to each country. Germany uses its economic and political might to push around smaller nation states, secure satellite votes, and do as it pleases within the EU, far more than its allotted voting power (besides a lot of the serious decisions are taken in backroom deals, and informal bodies like the "Eurogroup", through raw power, bypassing voting altogether).

Here's a good take: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/germany-...

Even this Spiegel article simultaneously downplays and confirms that Germany runs Europe:

"When Angela Merkel travels to Brussels, she does so as the leader of by far the strongest economy in the euro zone. Policies she doesn't agree with don't get passed. Power as such isn't a bad thing when those that have it use it wisely. But do they? There is a new tone in Germany. It is one that no longer abides by the noble customs of diplomacy. Whispering, suggesting and hinting have been replaced by ranting and blustering. (...) The economically powerful Germany got its way. In order to put the struggling countries on the right track -- on the German track, that is -- Merkel brought in the International Monetary Fund so as to free Germany from having to play the strict overseer. Still, it has not escaped notice that Berlin is in charge. (...) German sociologist Ulrich Beck, who has since passed away, referred to the pressure being exerted on Europe from Berlin as "Merkiavellismus." [2]

As a matter of fact, one of the stated goals of the bureaucrats that created EEC was (and remains) to contain Germany.

  "The German question produced the Europe of today, as well as the 
  transatlantic relationship of the past seven-plus decades. Germany’s 
  unification in 1871 created a new nation in the heart of Europe that was 
  too large, too populous, too rich, and too powerful to be effectively 
  balanced by the other European powers, including the United Kingdom. The 
  breakdown of the European balance of power helped produce two world wars 
  and brought more than ten million U.S. soldiers across the Atlantic to 
  fight and die in those wars. Americans and Europeans established NATO 
  after World War II at least as much to settle the German problem as to 
  meet the Soviet challenge, a fact now forgotten by today’s realists—to 
  “keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down,” as 
  Lord Ismay, the alliance’s first secretary-general, put it. This was also 
  the purpose of the series of integrative European institutions, beginning 
  with the European Steel and Coal Community, that eventually became the 
  European Union. As the diplomat George Kennan put it, some form of 
  European unification was “the only conceivable solution for the problem of 
  Germany’s relation to the rest of Europe,”
[2] https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-power-in...

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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The general point that the Euro will be controlled by the ECB, which must balance the priorities of all member states, is true. It’s also true that this generates some well-known public goods problems. And it is widely accepted among economists that ECB policy has been better suited to Germany than to e.g. the PIIGS countries of the Mediterranean. Hence the anger about European austerity in Italy, Greece.... Seriousl…

No, you are wrong. The ECB does not have to balance interests. It‘s independent and it‘s job is monetary stability, not economic interests. It‘s also not widely accepted that it‘s in Germanys interest. In fact it is against it. Germans hold most of their wealth in cash. They received interest for it. That‘s hundereds of billions now gone. Germans are poorer than most other Europeans (even than Spaniards and Italians)…

>The ECB does not have to balance interests. It‘s independent and it‘s job is monetary stability, not economic interests.

That's the version one would teach to high schoolers, not the real political/historical truth by any margin. In fact it's so naive I don't even know where to start addressing it.

You can follow the power plays in the ECB in all kinds of outlets, if leftist ones are not your thing, even Le Monde, Die Zeit, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Corriere della sera, The Economist and co will do.

>It‘s also not widely accepted that it‘s in Germanys interest. In fact it is against it. Germans hold most of their wealth in cash. They received interest for it. That‘s hundereds of billions now gone.

When Germany has control over EU/ECB policies, it could not give less ducks about the German people. It's about German banks and elites doing good.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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It's not always easy in the US, either. Michael Dell famously got his start by selling PCs out of his dorm room at the University of Texas. As could be expected, as his business gained momentum his grades took a dive, and eventually he dropped out. Later, when he realized he had a real business on his hands, he tried to go back and take some additional business courses, and the university told him to get lost. Ultima…

I don't get it. Either they didn't have enough space in the classes or his grades weren't good enough that they thought he would do well in the classes. Should the business school give preference to applicants who say they have a real business in their hands?

There are a lot of weaknesses in this admittedly-apocryphal story -- why didn't he just audit the classes, for instance? -- but the core elements are true enough.

Should the business school give preference to applicants who say they have a real business in their hands?

Yes, when the student's business grosses $73 million in its first year of operation and he come backs to you, hat in hand, asking for more training, that should count for something.

The business school, like the rest of UT, is there to serve the public interest. If a former student needs help with a fast-growing company that would eventually spend 25 years on the Fortune 500 list, the matter of his previous grades could have been overlooked, and should have been. Finding a way to accommodate him would have been the right thing to do.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Socialism - but The Guardian would never admit that.

Are you actually suggesting Socialism is the cause of this? Do you think Britain has been a socialist country in the last 50 years?

When you read The Guardian, you know that every question they ask about the current ills of the world, will have the blame directed toward "Thatcher and neoliberalism", except occasionally when it is the fault of "neoliberalism and Thatcher".

The Guardian has good journalism, but it is not a useful place to get interesting or insightful discussions of such topics. You are either already in the choir it is preaching to, or outside the church and completely bewildered that people can believe in such a strange world view.

As to whether Britain has been socialist, my preferred measure is the fraction of govt 'control' to GDP. The 'control' means normal govt spending plus the production of nationalized (hence often also unionized) industries. Just looking at govt spending to GDP shows the chaotic socialist 1970s, the Blair-Brown escalation early this century, and the inexorable growth of welfare spending:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government...

Any country where the govt controls ~40% of national production is certainly socialist. Obviously countries like France are much worse, where direct govt spending is >55% plus all their ownership shares in industries, including railways, utilities, banks, engineering and newspapers:

https://tradingeconomics.com/france/government-spending-to-g...

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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All together, UK billionaires have 156 billion pounds [1]. Put a 4% wealth tax on that, and you'll get 6.25 billion pounds. You won't even be making their fortunes smaller, so you could take that amount for forever. The NHS spent 140 billion pounds in 2017 [2], so you would cover 4.5% of the NHS budget just with this wealth tax. That's not insignificant, and we're just looking at billionaires here. UK millionaires ow…

Yes but you're ignoring capital flight. Billionaires and multi-millionaires can just up and leave to more tax friendly destinations. There are actually tax advantaged schemes (EIS and VCT) in the UK to try and funnel money into emerging tech and new businesses. However you would only invest in them if you were extremely wealthy do too the risks involved.

Capital flight is easily challenged if you have the cojones.

Paper assets require a supportive legal framework to transfer them usefully. Imagine creating a blacklist of tax evaders with the sort of teeth we see with, say, the sanctions on Iran/Venezuela/the DPRK. Shut down their economic life until they'll yield a useful cut.

Physical assets can't easily be schlepped across national borders without anyone noticing.

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