Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…
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Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#62Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…
We don't even prioritize homes for taxpaying citizens. There's an off-putting mentality that having a roof over your head is some kind of "flex" in California. In San Francisco, there's even a strange pride people have that homeless are on the streets ("look at us, we don't hide them away, aren't we great?!"). Although the weather does play a role, in the sense that if we had bad weather and homeless were freezing to…
There's way too much oppression against simple or niche home designs. The government backlash against Tiny Homes, for instance. And of course taxing homes to death also probably isn't a good thing. Tax bad stuff like gasoline. Don't tax things we need more of.
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#63Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…
At least based on latest 2018 numbers I found for both cities, that's not true.
NYC 78676 homeless with 8398748 residents.
SF 9784 homeless with 870877 residents.
106 residents per homeless individual in NYC.
Only 89 residents per homeless individual in SF.
> And for fuck's sake, it's not the weather. Our parks aren't by any means pristine but we don't suddenly sprout tent cities every summer.
I'm certainly not blaming it on the weather either. But this statement kind of misses the point on how exceptional our weather is. Our tent cities get to grow year round without interruption because it's mostly warm enough in the winter and cool enough in the summer to live outside full time.
The rest of your points stand without caveat. We don't build enough housing at all and we're incompetent at building shelters (at least ones that the homeless are willing and able to use)
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#64Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…
> In New York we have more homeless per capita... At least based on latest 2018 numbers I found for both cities, that's not true. NYC 78676 homeless with 8398748 residents. SF 9784 homeless with 870877 residents. 106 residents per homeless individual in NYC. Only 89 residents per homeless individual in SF. > And for fuck's sake, it's not the weather. Our parks aren't by any means pristine but we don't suddenly sprout…
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Build more period. I will rejoice the day the state just revokes planning from local communities. I hate to say that because it feels horrible, but local communities in California run zoning in the most incompetent and self serving way.
It's terrible everywhere but seems especially bad in California. We're hardly immune. Our boro president was celebrating a lawsuit blocking a new 5000(!) unit development as if it was a victory for housing justice. That said, the YIMBY message seems to be making headway. I hear a lot more pro-housing chatter than I did ten years ago, so at least that's something.
In any case, that's why I want to see local planning just abolished. These people are so clueless or self-serving (not sure which, don't care) that I don't see any reasoning with them or even talking to them. Just fire them all and abolish their offices.
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#66The other passengers and myself were just watching. I remember watching everyone’s faces and us deciding what to do. This was fairly normal for all of us. The coast guard came off the incoming ferry and basically joined us. It wasn’t their job, eventually we got some security and even they were like... “ugh, I don’t know if it’s safe to move him”.
Eventually all of us just routed around the homeless man via the other doors (usually for getting off the ferry). No one taking care of the problem, to my knowledge.
Can’t really blame anyone for not wanting to move a man covered in feces. But I agree this is a crisis and I honestly don’t know who they will get willing to solve that problem.
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#67Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…
[1] https://la.curbed.com/2019/6/4/18652755/2019-homeless-count-...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_Sta...
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is accurate, having lived all over CA and the Northeast. Northeastern cities build shelters because otherwise homeless people would freeze to death in the winter, though. Sometimes the shelters are only available during the freezing months.
We didn't used to build shelters. There was an entire riot in the 80s when the cops removed a homeless encampment that had entirely taken over Tomkins Sq Park in the East Village. I don't know when we started building them (I'm a transplant, circa 2008) but I know there was a qualitative difference from when I'd been to the city in the early 00s versus when I moved so I assume Bloomberg was responsible for building m…
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't even prioritize homes for taxpaying citizens. There's an off-putting mentality that having a roof over your head is some kind of "flex" in California. In San Francisco, there's even a strange pride people have that homeless are on the streets ("look at us, we don't hide them away, aren't we great?!"). Although the weather does play a role, in the sense that if we had bad weather and homeless were freezing to…
>We don't even prioritize homes for taxpaying citizens. There's way too much oppression against simple or niche home designs. The government backlash against Tiny Homes, for instance. And of course taxing homes to death also probably isn't a good thing. Tax bad stuff like gasoline. Don't tax things we need more of.
Now if you want to talk about impact fees you might be on to something...
Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’
#70Could it be dogs or could it be people? What economic factors could lead people to stop picking up dog poop? Have poop bags gone so far up in price that it's impossible for the average person to purchase poop bags?
It's people.