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NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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We can all do our part! Even though it is hard to actively contribute to fighting climate change every day, by becoming carbon neutral, we can grow a community to make a difference! The average American has a carbon footprint that can be offset with a $20 per month subscription. We need more money to flow into fighting climate change! I personally use Project Wren to offset my carbon footprint specifically through a…

Just looking at one of their sample projects "Clean cooking fuel for refugees"

It says

> Briquettes replace wood burning, a heavy polluting fuel source

> This initative is projected to provide 4,000 refugee households with clean briquettes, saving over 16,000 tons of emissions annually.

Let's do some back-of-the-envelope calculation. 16K ton per 4K refugees means 4t per person per year. I couldn't find data on briquettes efficiency vs wood but let's be generous and say it's twice as efficient. Then the emission before the reduction would be 8t per person per year.

So they are telling me that an average Uganda refugee, from cooking alone, emits almost as much as an average Brit [0]

edit: what am I missing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#83

Hottest probably where they measured. This year (2019) was one with the most rain and coldest spring and summer in many years where I live. We started joking that "winter wants to spend summer holiday with us". Romania

This is global average, not "where they measured". In particular, this is not US average.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#84
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, voting is passive. Be politically active: talk to your neighbors, at your local sports club, at work and at local events on climate change. Contact your local legislators. Give options to local polluters by researching options for subsidies. Write to your congressmen and ask for the most pressing local actions. Democracy does not start with a vote. That’s just a step in a large process.

If you want to be active, I just formed a non profit to fund litigation initiatives for kids and young adults to sue the government and corporate interests that are responsible for restoring their constitutional right to a freaking future. Consider donating to fund similar litigation.

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Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#85
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or follow Mumbai and ban eating cows (or make it really expensive). Seriously, pivoting to chicken at scale is more straightforward and has more predictable outcomes.

Or substituting beef with pork. As pork is so much better than beef CO2-wise, I find it strange why people advocate vegetarianism or meat substitute instead of advocating beef/pork substitution.

Well, for one thing, it is much easier to get a message across if people don't mistake your actions as taking sides in someone else's major and ongoing religious conflict.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#86
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There is a bipartisan carbon fee and dividend bill in the United States Congress right now with 59 sponsors[1], called The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (H.R. 763)[2]. This bill puts a fee on fossil fuels that grows over time. The money collected (minus administrative costs) is paid back to every American to spend as they see fit. Citizen's Climate Lobby is a bipartisan organization of regular people tryi…

This will never pass. This is not simply me being pessimistic. US current government doesn't believe in climate change, and doing everything in its power to roll back whatever progress was made in the last decade or so. The current senate majority is a puppet of the government and will not pass anything Trump doesnt want. And even in the extreme unlikely scenario of it getting passed. It will get vetoed. Since gettin…

I am not sure why the downvotes. Your comment seems to simply state facts.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#87
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As much as I want to believe climate change can mitigated by individuals making conscientious decisions, it seems as naive as telling someone in 1970 that if they care about the smog then they can just buy a catalytic converter for their own car. Climate change progress, like the catalytic converter, will be 1% innovation and 99% legislation. If you care about this problem please vote. Voting is arguably the most imp…

Do not underrate the power off setting an example.

Setting an example is great and doing what you personally can to reduce your footprint is certainly not wrong but it’s completely and utterly wrong to focus on that and talk about it. That’s just the wrong approach.

Deniers and their ilk will talk about nothing but personal failings, not systematic approaches. That’s a rhetorical strategy they are comfortable with and where they will always be able to win (since society is currently structured in a way that makes it very hard to reduce your footprint).

People might think that them personally doing something might solve the problem, which couldn’t be further from the truth. People might think that since they did something they don’t have to do anything more.

Focusing on personal responsibility is the completely wrong approach. This needs taxes, this needs bans, this needs huge political changes. There is no alternative. There is nothing you can personally do to solve this when those things don’t happen.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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... by 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit. I wonder what the error bars are on that number.

That’s the increase in the global average, over just three years ago!

It’s still a fair point to wonder whether that’s +0.05F +/- 0.001F or +/-0.07F

I suspect it’s more like the former, but I also wonder.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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post #83

Hottest probably where they measured. This year (2019) was one with the most rain and coldest spring and summer in many years where I live. We started joking that "winter wants to spend summer holiday with us". Romania

This is global average, not "where they measured". In particular, this is not US average.

sure it is

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#90
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We can all do our part! Even though it is hard to actively contribute to fighting climate change every day, by becoming carbon neutral, we can grow a community to make a difference! The average American has a carbon footprint that can be offset with a $20 per month subscription. We need more money to flow into fighting climate change! I personally use Project Wren to offset my carbon footprint specifically through a…

Just looking at one of their sample projects "Clean cooking fuel for refugees" It says > Briquettes replace wood burning, a heavy polluting fuel source > This initative is projected to provide 4,000 refugee households with clean briquettes, saving over 16,000 tons of emissions annually. Let's do some back-of-the-envelope calculation. 16K ton per 4K refugees means 4t per person per year. I couldn't find data on brique…

I doubt you're missing anything. "Offsetting" projects are based on hypothetical calculations of how much would be emitted without the project. This is the easiest part to fudge. And if they didn't fudge it, then people would pick cheaper projects or just not buy them at all.

What happens, for example, if refugees decide to keep using wood as well as the free briquettes? It could result in higher emissions (Jevons paradox).

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