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NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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#51

As much as I want to believe climate change can mitigated by individuals making conscientious decisions, it seems as naive as telling someone in 1970 that if they care about the smog then they can just buy a catalytic converter for their own car. Climate change progress, like the catalytic converter, will be 1% innovation and 99% legislation. If you care about this problem please vote. Voting is arguably the most imp…

Montreal Protocol was a success. We already have a legislative framework, starting with Kyoto Protocol. What is needed is technical alternatives that made Montreal Protocol a success, i.e. innovation.

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The cost to mitigate global warming is much less than the cost that humanity will bear if it isn't mitigated. This is often argued as binary: 0) doing something will destroy the economy, 1) doing nothing will destroy the world. But in reality, there is quite a bit that can be done that doesn't cost that much. The innovators require the price signal. Externalities need to be internalized before the market can solve th…

For starters, lets feed the cows some seaweed. IMO technology is very rapidly evolving which will drastically reduce emissions with very little negative trade-offs, and in fact, do so in an economically competitive fashion. The EV cars don’t just emit nothing, they are also better cars in almost every respect. The seaweed cows don’t just not fart methane, they grow fatter for less feed. The solar power isn’t just gre…

Or follow Mumbai and ban eating cows (or make it really expensive). Seriously, pivoting to chicken at scale is more straightforward and has more predictable outcomes.

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#53

Can we start publicly shaming the people who are standing in the way of preserving the species? It is a matter of the long term survival of civilization. Their feelings do not matter anymore.

Shame is an unpredictable and often counterproductive motivator. Much more reliable in shaping human behavior are greed and terror. Make of that what you will.

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There is a bipartisan carbon fee and dividend bill in the United States Congress right now with 59 sponsors[1], called The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (H.R. 763)[2]. This bill puts a fee on fossil fuels that grows over time. The money collected (minus administrative costs) is paid back to every American to spend as they see fit. Citizen's Climate Lobby is a bipartisan organization of regular people tryi…

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

The goal of the bill is bipartisan support. What makes the bill bipartisan is it does not attempt to grow government by creating new tax revenues, or regulations. Instead of increasing tax revenue the carbon fee is paid directly to the tax payer. Instead of additional regulations the gradually increasing fee incentivizes industry to reduce their use of fossil fuels.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

Good question. Republicans in particular need to worry about primary challenges in their science-illiterate districts, and many may be wary of attaching their name to this directly. But there are a good handful of deep red congresspeople who are happy to discuss policy details around carbon pricing, even if they can't politically afford cosponsorship [0]. I imagine that several of those may be willing to vote for suc…

The real question is why all government fines aren't structured this way.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

#57

You have a sphere. How do you distribute sensors over the surface of the sphere so you can accurate measure the true average temperature of the sphere? If you have one sensor, you can't measure an average. Add a sensor on the other size and you have a better chance of measuring an average but still a lot of room for error. Now add 100 more. If they are evenly distribute over the surface of the sphere you're likely to…

This is an important point which I think should not be downvoted. You can review locations of the world's sensors using World Meteorological Organization's OSCAR system here: https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/

Note that "surface" is both land and ocean. It is used as opposed to satellite.

On the other hand, while you were thinking about global averages, how come you didn't discover WMO's database? I think it is relatively easy to discover if you try just a bit.

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July is hotter than January, even though the planet is closer to the sun in January, because there is more land in the northern hemisphere than the Southern Hemisphere. There was a submission ~3 months ago regarding this phenomenon: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20012565 I’m certain there’s a submarine agenda behind most of these “hottest month EVAR” stories. /methinks it’d be much more productive to focus on…

Do you have a link to a study that has better science in it than the IPCC report? Is there a such a study? If not, maybe, just maybe, the climate scientist are right and the ever increasing CO2 is the culprit. Maybe.

Here's one - http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/08/july-2019-was-not-the-wa...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

The goal of the bill is bipartisan support. What makes the bill bipartisan is it does not attempt to grow government by creating new tax revenues, or regulations. Instead of increasing tax revenue the carbon fee is paid directly to the tax payer. Instead of additional regulations the gradually increasing fee incentivizes industry to reduce their use of fossil fuels.

So your claim is that it is bipartisan ideologically, not procedurally, right?

But I don't think that Republicans actually follow their own ideology of minimal state.

Anyway, I think the bill is a good idea (not an American).

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