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Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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Even Linux kernel has had tons and tons of vulnerabilities and bugs. Not to mention non-systemd core system components and services have been found exploitable times and times again. You can't set higher standards for systemd than other core pieces of software, it's simply not fair.

The Linux kernel has high standards. Most of the bugs come from the drivers. If systemd wants to be the end all be all init replacement it should have known from the start that it needed to meet a high bar of code quality.

It has high standards but the track record shows that standards isn't all it takes. We can always blame some subcomponent under someone else's control but the end result matters more.

If you want to systemd to adhere to really high standards then you're a hypocrite if you don't apply the same standards to every subcomponent of a non-systemd system, be it upstart, logrotated, cron, chrony or whatever else.

But it seems to me that you actually don't apply the same standards to the alternatives, they've all been hit with some vunerabilities, they all have bugs, they all have at least some terrible code, some lack maintenance or are just outdated. I wouldn't start throwing rocks from a glass house.

Oh and let's not forget that based on a pure empirical observation of the Linux ecosystem we can see that it is a better choice. And no, noone has been forced to use it(, neither was anyone forced to use Pulseaudio).

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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post #93

Boy does that bring back memories of the 1990s! Some of these are not obscure at all, but absolutely standard. Xterm was the shell, I’m not sure there were even alternatives in early X. Xbiff+Xload+Xclock used to be on everybody’s desktop. XV was the main image viewer on X for a long time. Anybody remember xvacuum? I guess it’s truly obscure since it didn’t make the list. One of my favorite tricks to play on other pe…

What about AzPainter ?[0] It's really cool image editor based on X11, that still is obscure competitor to GIMP and Krita ;-) [0] https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter

This is a great program, essentially PaintTool SAI recreated for Linux

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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post #12

Many of those types of programs like XRoach, XSnow, XNeko as well as every program rendering to the root window will never be possible with wayland (unless you built them into the display server).

Not necessarily true. With a wlroots compositor, you can use the layer-shell protocol and overlay surfaces.

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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Warning, clicking this link from here redirects to an NSFWish image on imgur. This guy has a problem with HN.

`Open link in new tab/window` avoids the referer header and JWZ's bile.

It doesn't, at least in Firefox.

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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The "community" in this case is in fact not a community at all, merely a loose set of people who's only common characteristic is having an opinion on systemd. A reasonable user of SystemD, like myself, has no power to coerce a complete stranger who sees fit to email Lennart a death threat. The "community" cannot stop this. Either Lennart should work on how he handles such criticism/abuse, or Red Hat/IBM should hire a…

I'm not talking strictly about death threats, calling him random slurs already is too much and has happened on HN, this "loose set of people" should not, and it'd already probably change his opinion about different communities. Lennart should absolutely sometimes choose his words, like Linus, but I don't think we should be excusing insults with saying "it's unenforceable" when most places haven't really tried to rema…

What do you expect "the community" to do, downvote anybody who speaks harshly about him? That won't stop it, and even if it did it still wouldn't stop 4channers with anime avatars on github from trolling him constantly. There is no community solution to Lennart getting his feelings hurt. That's not an excuse, it's a cold truth.

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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post #89

This reminded me of xjump, a very addictive falling tower game where you must continue to jump to the next highest platform as the lower platforms collapse beneath you. https://linuxx.info/xjump/ https://github.com/hugomg/xjump

I wish I could find game xjumpxjump, it was a small number puzzle I played a lot in FreeBSD. It was removed from ports years ago and I have yet to find the src :(

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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post #61

My two favorites were xev, for finding out which key/event codes I needed to put in config files, and xnest, for trying out new window managers or containing window-happy applications in a single top-level window before workspaces became a common thing.

Also xmag, for those "what is going on at the pixel level" questions that screenshots are poor at answering. Alas, this doesn't work on wayland for obvious (yet... deeply regrettable) security reasons.

For Wayland there is now "wev"

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2019-Au...

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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Fun point of trivia about XBill: you might not guess from XBill's (ahem) slick, beautiful user interface, but one of the two people who wrote XBill is Matias Duarte. Yes, that Matias Duarte, the guy in charge of UI for Android and who came up with Material Design.

There is not much of a GUI in XBill- just a bloody program with a menu and a window. The same can be said about Android - Windows 1.0 rereleased. From an engineering point of view XBill is a better achievement than the GUI of Android.

Re: Cool but obscure X11 tools

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post #202

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What about AzPainter ?[0] It's really cool image editor based on X11, that still is obscure competitor to GIMP and Krita ;-) [0] https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter

This is a great program, essentially PaintTool SAI recreated for Linux

> recreated for Linux

Not only for Linux, but for FreeBSD/OpenBSD and Mac OS too![0]

[0] https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter/wiki/Packaging-status

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