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Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

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Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

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Blocking sites because they're "not on the service plan" is likely to be much more acceptable in western countries than explicit censorship, as in Iran or China. It's authoritarianism dressed up as commercialism. In the post-Wikileaks era my bet is that governments will either encourage, or at least not do anything to hinder, the erection of walled gardens which make it more difficult for the average internet user to…

Oh come on, do you really think that governments are so shook up over WikiLeaks that they might encourage ISPs to turn the internet into a series of walled gardens? For that matter, do you really think that they're that evil? Obviously they're not happy about WikiLeaks, and I'm not saying that governments or ISPs are perfect, but some perspective is badly needed here. What you've written screams hyperbole and is veer…

And I have to say, what's with your tone? That somehow, because a person might think a government could be dodgy or work in a way they don't want, that they have to shed that belief if they want change? If that's how it works, isn't that just a confirmation and vindication of the original belief?

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

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I'm more stunned by the price: I pay 20€ for unlimited and unrestricted data access with a double SIM (one mobile broadband, other for phone). And they want to charge more for other video access?

I was shocked too when I came to the US for a few months. In Germany, I just pay 9 cents per SMS/Minute and 10 Euros for a Gigabyte of data (per month). In the US, I had to pay about 50 USD per Month on T-Mobile. It would have been more if I actually told them I had a smartphone ("Nah, I've got an old Nokia, I just want to be able to get eMails").

I don't know what plan you have, but tmobile for me is 60 a month for unlimited internet, sms, 500 minutes, unlimited nights/weekends.

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

#43
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sprint usb type mobile broadband plan: $59.99/mo for 5 gigs on 2 year contract. Verizon usb type mobile broadband plan: $50/mo for 5 gigs on 2 year contract AT&T usb type mobile broadband plan: $60/mo for 5 gigs on 2 year contract T-mobile usb type mobile broadband plan: $39.99 for 5 gigs no contract So yeah, it seems rather unlikely that any cartel like cooperation on tiering would evolve in this market. (EDIT: Upda…

That's misleading in a couple ways. First, you have omitted other providers whose prices are not similar to those above. Clear, for example. Second, competition is about more than just price. It is also about features and restrictions. The provider that this thread is about is offering a lower priced plan WITHOUT a contract, but with restrictions on what you can do with it. (EDIT: continuing, as I thought of another…

I wasn't trying to provide a comprehensive mobile services price comparison, I simply chose a service I knew to have comparable terms across the 4 national carriers that own their own towers. MetroPCS and Clear both provide significantly different services being online only in certain metros.

I had skipped handset service because when fully loaded they have service tiers that make it difficult to do direct comparisons, probably intentionally. However:

AT&T unlimited voice: $69.99/mo

Verizon unlimited voice: $69.99/mo

T-mobile unlimited voice: $59.99/mo

Sprint 900 minutes (max): $59.99/mo

and:

AT&T ala carte SMS: $0.20 per

Verizon ala carte SMS: $0.20 per

T-mobile ala carte SMS: $0.20 per

Sprint ala carte SMS: $0.20 per

Considering the radically different cost basis of the two programs it's hard to believe there isn't some de-facto price coordination going on.

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

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It seems to me that lowering phone prices[0] -- making subsidies, and thus long-term contracts, uninteresting to consumers -- and LTE compatibility across networks will create a more competitive market, lowering prices and forcing these tactics out the door.

Obviously, the carriers will do everything in their power to prevent the commoditization of their networks but am I crazy in thinking that's at least a path we are inevitably moving on?

[0] http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/12/the-smartphone-explosion.htm...

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

#46
They have Android smartphones... I'm very much wondering how this service will ever be able to work between the plentiful applications, including third-browsers (plus Flash support on 2.2). I imagine that the power user, at least, will have no trouble getting around it; the block won't be total either way.

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

#47
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was shocked too when I came to the US for a few months. In Germany, I just pay 9 cents per SMS/Minute and 10 Euros for a Gigabyte of data (per month). In the US, I had to pay about 50 USD per Month on T-Mobile. It would have been more if I actually told them I had a smartphone ("Nah, I've got an old Nokia, I just want to be able to get eMails").

I don't know what plan you have, but tmobile for me is 60 a month for unlimited internet, sms, 500 minutes, unlimited nights/weekends.

What plan is that? I'm on tmobile and just upgraded to a Nexus S and all the unlimited internet plans seem to hit 70/mo or above. $30 for unlimited internet, plus $39 minimum for the rest. Would love to grab your plan if possible.

Re: Uh Oh, Internet: Basic Mobile Video Will be YouTube-Only With MetroPCS Plans

#49
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Facebook Fee: $.95 Youtube Surcharge: $1.53 blogging package: $.25 Roaming charge (non approved sites): $5.21 Wikileaks download penalty: $10.00 Destroying net neutrality, killing what made the Internet great in the first place: priceless.

I can't wait for the censorship-resistant, anonymous, redundant worldwide network that would be created. The internet is terrible on many levels, it works though, so the incentive for change is just not there.
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