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YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by manfredo »

tremon wrote: post #144
ralusek wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that people are biased and cannot be trusted to moderate ethically.

Whereas an algorithm can be trusted to moderate ethically? This is why civilized countries have developed rule of law, including arguments and rebuttals, overseen by an impartial arbiter. Yes, that is costly. But it is the accepted solution we have as a society, and it's time "Big Tech" starts accepting rule of law.

There's nothing in the rule of law that says platforms need to be places with arguments and rebuttals overseen by an arbiter. There's nothing against the law about having a platform filled with petulant children. For the most part, the only things against the law are illegal content (CSE, etc.) and credible and specific threats. Plus maybe some niche cases like providing aid to terrorist groups, distributing confidential documents, and the like.

Yes, tech companies should accept the rule of law. But people need to accept that the rule of law does not preclude running a site full of angry, bigoted idiots with no productive commentary.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by [deleted] »

tremon wrote: post #159
big_chungus wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's time "Big Tech" starts accepting rule of law. Which laws? I will acknowledge they are gaming the system somewhat by claiming to be an impartial platform (thereby gaining copyright protections) while removing what they find distasteful (but not illegal, so moderation based on opinion). However, it sounds like you believe removing videos that are not illegal in and of themselves is itself illegal. We don't have…

I'm not referring to "gaming the system", I'm referring to the refusal to hand over appeals to an independent third party, or in some cases flatly refusing appeals. The contentid, moderation and banning decisions should be subject to public scrutiny, they shouldn't be the unassailable result of a backroom process. it sounds like you believe removing videos that are not illegal in and of themselves is itself illegal.…

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Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by 12thsie34 »

goatinaboat wrote: post #77
perl4ever wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious solution is to restrict who can use YouTube in some way that anti-correlates with posting awful stuff. I don't know specifically, but there must be something.

Require verified ID for every uploader. Charge a token amount say $1 for every upload. Only accept uploads from countries with law enforcement that handles bad content and make it clear that law enforcement will be knocking on your door if you upload anything bad. Extend this to commenters. This is just not a difficult problem, YouTube just doesn’t want to solve it

Holy shit you're a vile authoritatian.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by 12thsie34 »

lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #141
prometheus76 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's a good thing those brigading actions never go the other way, though, right? That would be wrong and immature and just plain hypocritical...Sure glad it never happens!

Off topic, give that the tread is about an idea for protecting minority groups largely unserved by the algorithm. I fail to see how a "but both sides" proclamation leads to any progress (other than maintaining the status quo which is awful good for a select group of people).

The status quo favors LGBT

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by 12thsie34 »

ChickeNES wrote: post #111
tu7001 wrote: post #108

Is it a joke? In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. The question is why the are able to censor content. I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc.

> Is it a joke? No? > In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. YouTube is US based and hate speech is looked down upon in the US. Don't like it? Find a service not based in the US. > The question is why the are able to censor content. It's a private website, they can do whatever they want. Again, find another site if you want hate content. > I don't expect that…

"Hate speech" according to the opinions of an undeserving minority of rich nerds.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by 12thsie34 »

rewq4321 wrote: post #114
tu7001 wrote: post #108

Is it a joke? In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. The question is why the are able to censor content. I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc.

> In Poland A month ago LGBT people were being punched and kicked in the head and had bricks thrown at them while walking down the street for a parade: https://streamable.com/hflsx "Fuck off, we will kill you, there is no place for you in society" https://streamable.com/f1c7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXWhSE9kAM You should be ashamed of your country for the way LGBT people get treated.

Censorship is violence, freedom to censor doesnt mean freedom from consequences.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by fareesh »

gnicholas wrote: post #52
fareesh wrote: post #20

What if monetized videos can't be viewed without spending "ad bucks"? To earn "ad bucks", you have to watch an ad. The ad watching takes place in a dedicated ads section of the site, completely independent of all videos. The vast majority of monetized videos would cost 1 ad buck, so watch one ad. The ad watching is just a giant "watch ad" button. The algorithm goes through all all the info about me and shows me a rel…

Interesting idea. I think people would turn on ad mode and then go to the other room or switch to a different window. I definitely did this when Hulu (I think) offers the option to watch one long commercial instead of several short ones spread throughout the program.

Users can already just swap to another window or block the ad outright.

In my view this should eliminate the ad blocking group entirely.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by Nasrudith »

tremon wrote: post #159
big_chungus wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's time "Big Tech" starts accepting rule of law. Which laws? I will acknowledge they are gaming the system somewhat by claiming to be an impartial platform (thereby gaining copyright protections) while removing what they find distasteful (but not illegal, so moderation based on opinion). However, it sounds like you believe removing videos that are not illegal in and of themselves is itself illegal. We don't have…

I'm not referring to "gaming the system", I'm referring to the refusal to hand over appeals to an independent third party, or in some cases flatly refusing appeals. The contentid, moderation and banning decisions should be subject to public scrutiny, they shouldn't be the unassailable result of a backroom process. it sounds like you believe removing videos that are not illegal in and of themselves is itself illegal.…

That really isn't rule of law then. While a transparent system would be nice it has about as much to do with rule of law as people playing catch with a glove and baseball instead of a formal game does.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by Nasrudith »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #26
big_chungus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doing this really changes the economics of the platform Not to mention that moderating this kind of stuff can seriously mess you up: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/19/18681845/facebook-moderat... You end up looking at not just mean words but CP, seriously gory stuff, fringe sexual deviancy, and more. Do we really want to do this to moderators?

If YouTube can't protect its users, and the content people are posting is too distressing even for moderators, maybe YouTube shouldn't exist?

Having to ask permission to exist? There are so many things wrong with that notion.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by Nasrudith »

goatinaboat wrote: post #77
perl4ever wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious solution is to restrict who can use YouTube in some way that anti-correlates with posting awful stuff. I don't know specifically, but there must be something.

Require verified ID for every uploader. Charge a token amount say $1 for every upload. Only accept uploads from countries with law enforcement that handles bad content and make it clear that law enforcement will be knocking on your door if you upload anything bad. Extend this to commenters. This is just not a difficult problem, YouTube just doesn’t want to solve it

So not accepting content from the United States then? Bad content != illegal.

If they started with that YouTube wouldn't have gotten off the ground as people wouldn't go with the "unilaterally acts like they are being controlled by the Chinese Government" service.

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