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Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by mixmastamyk »

duxup wrote: post #320
ztjio wrote: post #313

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That's an interesting fantasy, but, Twitter's "design" originates from being nothing more than a simplistic broadcast SMS tool where every message had to fit in an SMS including the username/command part as originally SMS was the primary way people used Twitter. After that, nearly every single aspect of Twitter was actually invented by its users including @ replies, and mechanisms for "threading." All that Twitter ha…

I'm not sure the other user means they engineered "the dumpster fire" as much as their idea of engagement combined with the shallow text field, and the way retweets and etc work that it produced the inevitable. Both could be "by design".

Or they don't change what it's become, because they like it that way == "by design".

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

dx87 wrote: post #77
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #33

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The past reports on Amazon warehouses call out how strict and automated the management is: that the local managers don't have the authority to really do much in the way of providing flexibility (or humanity) to people.

Yeah, I don't doubt the reports about it. I was just commenting about how "we actually have an open door policy" doesn't necessarily mean that the employees are brainwashed into thinking that having basic rights is something to applaud.

I think the pushback was that if there's an "open door" policy it is presumed to mean "open communication with the possibility of change or at least suggestions being heard".

If the supervisor you have an "open door" to communicate with has zero flexibility in what they can do to help you then you might as well converse with one of the stock-picking robots.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by pas »

pmikesell wrote: post #218

I used to work a hard labor job. People got injured. I got injured more than once. Some people died. It was part of the job and we knew what we were getting into in exchange for money. It was the best way we had to make a living. I don't know if conditions were as hard as working in an Amazon FC, but it was definitely hard work. We needed the money and appreciated the opportunity to earn a living. If the media had de…

It is disgusting. But it is because we are collectively diving into a dead horse.

Amazon FCs pay minimum wage, and even if some people truly appreciate the money, it's not because it's great, but because it's the best thing available. Which is an absolute shame of social support.

(And to reply regarding the media picking a working class hero as an interview subject: I still remember vividly the summer jobs I did fifteen years ago (detasseling corn). At the time I thought how great the money is. I remember how fortunate we felt to earn more than other farm workers, and that what we did was obviously the hardest work, hence the highest wage. Never mind it was paid under the table.)

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Post by greedo »

laughinghan wrote: post #350
greedo wrote: post #228

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My company has a quarterly "engagement" survey. If our supervisor doesn't get a 5 rating (highest) from us, he gets in trouble, so as shit rolls downhill, we get in trouble. The majority of the team answers the survey questions dishonestly, so as to avoid rolling shit. The others feel it's their only way of expressing discontent short of leaving.

Wow, that's terrible. What exactly happens to the supervisor, and what exactly does he do to all of you? What do you think could be done to make this situation better? I wonder if something different, maybe more serious needs to happen to the supervisor for getting a low rating? Or I guess the issue is, he gets to retaliate for a whole quarter and your opportunity to ding him further won't be until 3 months later. Ma…

Well he doesn't really get a low rating. The questions (coming from Gallup I assume) are vague enough that if you answer fairly at all, no one would get a 5 across the board. He gets roughly 4.5 on average, but they compare each category to previous surveys.

He doesn't really punish/retaliate so much as make us have a team meeting where we discuss the survey, and then we have to come up with solutions. The surveys are supposed to be anonymous, but who really knows. So the meetings end up with people being vague and non-committal since it's hard to directly criticize your supervisor face to face sometimes.

And each supervisor is compared to their peers, and the organization is also rated. So if people don't feel happy about the workplace 100%, mgmt feels like it's the supervisors fault, not upper mgmt. Just a bad situation all around.

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Post by laughinghan »

manigandham wrote: post #351
laughinghan wrote: post #348

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> If you have to muddy the definition to make it fit They're not muddying the definition. You're ignoring part of the definition. Everyone has been consistent about what the definition is, and you have consistently pretended that part of the definition isn't there.

Can you please put that part that I'm ignoring in a single sentence? Is it " primary activity is using capital to gain income, versus working for pay "?

Yes. I see you actually did understand that after all.

Are you calling it "muddy", then, because socioeconomic mobility exists? America's socioeconomic mobility is among the lowest of developed nations and getting worse since the 80s, but regardless, in order to even study such a thing requires defining it. Its definition is not muddy, it's widely accepted and studied.

I am genuinely happy for you that you were able to achieve it. I am incredibly grateful my parents were able to achieve it. But such achievements don't mean it's not still a problem.

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Post by skinnymuch »

rgoulter wrote: post #92
theDoug wrote: post #59

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Poor 20-something grandfather Rafael also identifies as a nana and as a middle-aged woman. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...

Elsewhere in this discussion says that these FC Ambassadors are using Sprinklr app. I'd guess that Rafael didn't log out of the app (or the nana forgot to do that).

There’s at least two other accounts with multiple name, gender, race changes. It’s likely not because of logging out reasons.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by skinnymuch »

BeetleB wrote: post #178
aerovistae wrote: post #76

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Not seeing it. RO is speaking like a real person with pretty reasonable arguments; the others feel like exactly what she accuses them of being: paid shills.

>are you a robot, did they make a bunch of ai to lie for them instead of helping real workers Talking to a real human this way is not reasonable. Nor is it an argument. >how much are you compensated per tweet like this This is like the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" When the assumption of malintent/guilt is there from the start, you're setting yourself up for a very unreasonable conversation. >so they…

They are essentially compensated for tweets. They are paid hourly to tweet. And have to be tweeting positive things regularly per hour. Essentially the same thing.

The part about saying they like their job is true. The guidelines for them is everything has to be positive.

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Post by skinnymuch »

u35517 wrote: post #328
ekc wrote: post #277

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You can read Twitter.com in a browser.

Yes, but it is so crippled that they might just as well show you a big "Fuck you" instead. (Sorry)

I only use Twitter in a browser. I haven’t seen any issue.

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Post by skinnymuch »

wcoenen wrote: post #120
qwsxyh wrote: post #62

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You scroll up, and then read each tweet. I refuse to believe HN users are this genuinely ignorant about such a basic website. It's really nowhere near as hard to read as anyone here makes it out to be.

I took your advice, and the fifth message in the list (by "@amazonfcrafael") starts with "(2/2)". I don't see the (1/2) of that message, so it seems parts of the conversation are missing and I'm looking at some kind of automatically generated subset of all the relevant tweets. But I guess I'm "ignorant"...

That’s the Amazon “ambassador” doing a bad job

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Post by wildrhythms »

avsteele wrote: post #14

I see people saying they are 'chat bots'; any evidence of this other than people's general feeling? To me the FCA's came off like normal human beings who actually like their job a bit more than average (these people do exist). The people replying to them come off as infantile.

>I see people saying they are 'chat bots'; any evidence of this other than people's general feeling?

https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512

https://twitter.com/null_fruit/status/1161992893957099520

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