Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

Post by loyukfai » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:15 PM UTC

A2017U1 wrote: post #98

gurkendoktor wrote: post #36

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> China has nukes. Absolutely nothing will happen China has shown (again) in their treatment of Hong Kong that they don't care about past agreements. The least that anyone can do, even in the presence of nukes, is to get their business out of China, and that is already happening to some degree. And of course be welcoming to people who choose to emigrate from Hong Kong.

This strikes to the heart of what my comment mentioned though: the vast majority of people don't care, Western consumer people especially. Not supporting it, simply saying it. Make them care and things might change, truly. Don't bother with CEO's or governments, we all know who they serve.

Post by loyukfai » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:18 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #68

Tharkun wrote: post #4

Sigh. Hopefully we won't get a repeat of the Tiananmen square massacre. I've not seen any nations speak out about the HK protests. Unlike, say, when many expressed support for the Arab Spring.

The Arab spring is probably a bad example. The west got a bit over-enthusiastic about the Arab Spring which turns out to be more of an Islamist Spring. I don't think many people think it was a good idea to destabilize Libya and Syria in hindsight.

Post by yyhhsj0521 » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

hcheung wrote: post #31

Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #19

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There is no perfect election format, even if the presidential election of US is often discussed for possible modifications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele...

At least it is voted by the people no matter how imperfect it is. 1200 people is hardly a definition of "by people".

Post by rolltiide » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:24 PM UTC

andrekandre wrote: post #184

aikah wrote: post #159

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> Whatever they do in Hong Kong now will not stop from things happening all over China at a given point. It's interesting how 30 years ago, western economists were trying to sell everybody how moving all our industries to China will eventually turn the latter into a democracy because economic growth and democracy goes hand in hand. 30 years later, the Chinese communist party has never been as powerful as it is today…

if they actually believed “markets” to lead to democracy, that seems to me they conflated democracy (rule of the people) with capitalism (rule of capital)... my opinion: they are not at all the same thing, and it was naive to think it would happen in china (markets existed a long time before capitalism even existed and democracy was quite the no-show for a long time)

Post by Symmetry » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:26 PM UTC

Causality1 wrote: post #82

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #69

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> they absolutely cannot come into Hong Kong, it would be a totally stupid move Strategically, for China? Yes. Politically, for Xi? Maybe not. Remember that Xi is a dictator. Moves that boost him in the short term at China’s long-term expense are on the board.

Not to mention a military takeover of Hong Kong would generate valuable data and experience that could be usefully applied to an invasion of Taiwan.